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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so Chris O'Brien

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we have seen some really strange reviews

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over the past few months and iTunes one

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says that I keep using the phrase UFOs

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are here to make us think do I say it

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that often not to my knowledge I don't

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quite recall that particular phrase

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coming out of your mouth too many times

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I mean it's it's a good one but so what

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does our reviewer have a problem with

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you stating the obvious maybe once or

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twice I like maybe I should start saying

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it more I'll tell you what I'll use the

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word trickster which is the other

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criticism by the way they say you use

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the word trickster all the time well I

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haven't used that word and I don't know

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how many shows gene you see you know

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what it is here is that the whole area

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of reviews amazon itunes etc the problem

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is here when you have an open review

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system is a good thing about it it

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allows individuals to evaluate what they

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think of a product it also allows the

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companies to make those products to put

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up their own reviews the rivals of that

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product or service will put up their

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negative reviews they'll tear you down

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and I kind of think here that with the

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success of the parrot cast especially in

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the last year when we heard on the gcn

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radio network we're in New York Atlanta

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would just a distinction in Illinois as

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a matter of fact with all that success

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we have a lot of people out there who

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wish they had a network deal so they

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find ways to try to criticize us so for

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example they criticize the amount of of

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ads we run now as most of you know

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network radio is free how do you pay the

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bills you have ants the number of ants

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we run is the same as hundreds of other

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talk radio shows in the US it's the same

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as a matter of fact is coast to coast am

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the

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Limbaugh and Rhodes is because this way

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it's not a political favoritism Randy

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Rhoads is a liberal Rush Limbaugh is a

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conservative it doesn't matter that's

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how the business works when we have a

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podcast version of the show it's the

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same thing we have to run those

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commercials that's our contract no

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commercials they don't get paid they

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don't carry the show and we're back to

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where we started well it seems I think

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it seems like a lot more commercials

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because a number of the commercials are

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very short they're only 15 seconds right

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the actual amount of time devoted to

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commercials remains the same it just

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seems like there's more because some of

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them are shorter so you got to deal with

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it and just fast-forward past it if it's

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a problem you know I don't have any gold

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to sell I'd already have a water filter

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you know I don't carry concealed

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handguns what about having special pills

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to protect you from radiation oh I

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haven't heard that one I just need a lot

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of nori and I'm not talking George

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either I'm talking seaweed but wait a

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minute where's that seaweed come from oh

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well we're in trouble now well most of

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the ads of course are of things that can

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help better your life better your

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finances you know it teaches you to have

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a healthy lifestyle for example health

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food okay what's wrong with that nothing

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wrong with being healthy you're living

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longer

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what's wrong with investing in things it

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might increase your net worth you know

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gold is a good area where people can

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invest and maybe make a lot of money

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some people made an awful lot of money

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so that's one area you need insurance

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okay so someone says get life insurance

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okay you want to protect your love once

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you're gone you want them to be stuck

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with all the bills you left so you get

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life insurance you get health insurance

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you get auto insurance all of these

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things and things that you might need if

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you don't need them fine don't buy them

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no one stops you what about backup

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services like carbonize went around

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franchising partners Carbonite offers

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online backup for your stuff on your Mac

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or your PC what happens if your

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computer's drive fails

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you don't have a backup or like I did

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last week accidentally raised thirty one

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of my most important folders which I'm

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still trying to recall eight after I had

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to uh nem T my trash oh man I don't even

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get me going on that one gene that

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hasn't happened to me in quite quite

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some time we have to get you set up with

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carbonite yeah exactly so there you go

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there's another product that you know I

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could have probably used if I had

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listened to those commercials especially

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the ones that we run and by the way

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that's one of our advertisers by the way

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my son was able to recover his files his

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hard drive on his MacBook failed they

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couldn't bring the data back he had an

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online backup and so in a few hours he

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was totally restored so there you go oh

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we have a commercial hey you have a

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commercial too you are involved in this

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product this election of DVDs it's about

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disclosure explain yeah UFO disclosure

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well as many of our listeners know I am

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NOT the biggest fan of the calm you know

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the whole idea of disclosure of course I

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think it's a pipe dream you couldn't

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trust a government that would had been

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lying to you for 65 years so the I think

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in in the idealized way that people look

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and view the subject of disclosure it'll

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never happen and I've spent quite a bit

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of time over the past six eight months

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editing an exhaustive totally thorough

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examination of the whole subject of

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disclosure and boy I tell you it

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features everybody which Dolan's in its

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the ambassador peter robbins the Gary

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Heseltine Stanton Friedman I mean loud

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on and on

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you have loud passive - come on we did

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and and the the conversation for

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instance that he had but Paul Dave it's

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about the role of Hollywood in the whole

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UFO the development and the unfolding of

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public knowledge of UFOs and how

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Hollywood was has been very crucial in

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kind of miss educating the public if you

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will in many regards I mean

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conversation I learned so much the

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conversation these are dialogues now the

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project is called dialogues disclosure

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dialogues and and it's not just a bunch

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of talking heads it's the top experts

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talking to each other which is

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absolutely fascinated fascinating I

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learned so much

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for instance Richard Dolan and Danny

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Sheehan talking about the religious and

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cultural implications of disclosure just

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was fascinating so I I was I was hired

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actually to edit this this humongous

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project that's I think 12 hours it runs

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five DVDs and I also was the one that

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compiled sound bytes from each of these

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dialogues and put them together in a

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coherent fashion for a standalone

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documentary called it could happen

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tomorrow which I think in my opinion is

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probably the most comprehensive most

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in-depth look in about an hour and five

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minutes that you will ever find out

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there on the whole subject of disclosure

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we're super excited about it I think

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it's a historic achievement took two and

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filmed it's taken the better part of the

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last year to get everything all put

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in the piece that actually sort of just

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who's a whole subject I am the one that

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was asked to objectively put on my

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neutral hat and and edit the whole thing

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so I I do think it's a very important

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project we're already getting really

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good reviews we premiered it could

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happen tomorrow the standalone dock we

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premiered it at the weeks and 2011

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International MUFON symposium and we did

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get some really good feedback and I urge

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everybody if you're interested in this

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subject this is a one-stop shop that you

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can do to really get yourself up to

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speed let's go to my website our strange

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planet click on the link will take you

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to a website and you can look at some

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clips from the from the piece it's super

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well put together and I'm really happy

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that I was asked to become involved even

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though you know it is a subject that I

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have some problems with

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I learned a lot and I put a lot of this

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stuff together in a way that's very very

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very educational so you go to our

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strange planet come and you'll see a

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link and you can order the set and it's

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really economical worth it we're gonna

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do in one or more shows about disclosure

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in the near future but today we're gonna

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do a show with an old friend of the show

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old friend of ours Leslie Kane and she

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is the author of this best-selling book

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UFOs generals pilots and government

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officials go on the record a paperback

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editions coming out this month but also

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on history the cable TV channel there's

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going to be a two-hour special secret

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access UFOs on the record that's going

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to feature the highlights of what we

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know about UFOs and this is a totally

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scientific approach that's Leslie Cain

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coming up next on the power cast I've

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anderson president of midas resources

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one of the world's premier gold and

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precious metal investing firms i get it

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you wouldn't buy gold if you believed

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that the government is doing a great job

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that the Fed will stop handing out

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trillions of dollars like bailout candy

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Social Security would be there for you

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that's not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

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or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

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or that your retirement will be secured

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if all looks rosy to you then now is not

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the time to buy gold for the realists

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there have never been more sobering

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reasons to diversify with gold since

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2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked 30

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cast with Gene and Chris we are joined

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by a friend of the show Leslie Cain who

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has been on a number of times in the

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past few years most recently - announced

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the publication of her book last year

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UFOs generals pilots and government

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officials go on the record and Leslie

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it's now available in a paperback

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edition huh that's right it just came

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out a couple weeks ago in paperback so

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it's a smaller it's beautiful it's

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smaller lighter easier to carry around

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and cheaper so there it is and in this

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economy cheaper is good no how many

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years has it been

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Leslie since we've had an actual

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best-selling UFO book I mean is that go

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back to the days of like download Keo

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and Frank Edwards and people like that

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well I think that one of Budd Hopkins

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this book may be intruders was a

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best-seller and I it was actually that

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would have been in the 80s I think right

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and then there was of course those books

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I don't know if I think that might have

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been a best-seller also but I I'm not

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positive but I can't think of anything

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else but I could be mistaken so I think

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it's been a while since there's been a

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best-seller

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now I'm parenthetically I'm not gonna

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ask you about course so unless you want

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to respond what do you think of that

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whole thing is of course that he was the

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bagman for alleged secret alien

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developments from Roswell and he sent

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them out the private industry do you

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have any feeling on that I I basically

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don't buy it but I just my opinion I

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mean I don't have any particular inside

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knowledge into it one way or the other I

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just seems boy too far-fetched to me to

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be plausible and I respect other people

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who have looked into it like Stanton

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Friedman and Budd Hopkins they certainly

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have cast grave doubt on their ass

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the whole thing so but I haven't spent a

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lot of time with it I think care in the

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para cast were looking possibly

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interviewing the late philip corso son

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and see what his take on the matter is

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but that's another subject entirely

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let's get back to your book there's also

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by the way a TV cable TV special coming

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up is this going to be basically a

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documentary based on the book or what

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yes the TV special documentary made by

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an independent film company called

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breakthrough films they were

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commissioned by the History Channel to

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do something sort of based around the

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book it was at the time when the book

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was a best-seller and the film company

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went and pitched this pitched it to

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History Channel and it really just takes

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some of the cases from the book and

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looks at those cases and you know I sort

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of am a spokesperson throughout the

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piece and I helped produce it so but

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it's an independent film production

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company that actually made the film but

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that's going to be aired on August 25th

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on the History Channel

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so I hope people will watch it I think

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they did a very good job I mean yes

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definitely when you're working for the

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History Channel you're under certain

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constraints based on the requirements of

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making something for TV so you don't

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have the the kind of control you have

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there's the first time they've actually

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made something for TV this company there

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are really outstanding independent

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documentary film company so given the

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parameters of the fact that you have to

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do a certain number to do a TV show I

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think they did a really good job

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all those commercial limitations in

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doing the press tour as they say of a TV

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radio tour for your book did you find

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constraints and having to deal with

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these interviews that are seven minutes

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long and you have to get in the proper

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talking points yeah I mean it's

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definitely harder to do it in a short

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time but I got very used to it and I

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just sort of know what my talking points

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are and a lot of it of course is based

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on what they ask so I got I did so many

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interviews when the book first came out

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a year ago of all different lengths that

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I got you know very used to just doing

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it in a short bit if I had to now one

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curious interview I thought it was well

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done the one you did on Fox News where

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you have the two hosts they seem to be

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standing on a platform and you are on

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the platform so it was kind of like you

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were looking up and they were looking

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down at you

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yeah I sort of remember that that was

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another with like three or four-minute

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one right and if you listen to the audio

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it's fine birth they look at you it's

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like you're looking at them and they put

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themselves in a way that they're

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superior to the guests is that peculiar

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yeah it's funny I didn't feel it at the

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time I think it's more than I'm just I'm

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just a short person I mean we were

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standing all in the same level I think

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oh you were they were tall and I'm small

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it may also been the way the cameras

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were pointed yeah but I think I remember

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the setup it was this male and female

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anchor right that's the way they do it

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they're blonde you know like Generic

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foxnews blonde title now who watch that

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channel we're going to be screaming at

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us on the internet there you go we

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understand they hired tall people now in

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the old days of show business of course

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when you had someone like an Allen light

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it was five foot six or something and

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he'd be the leading man what do you do

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he stands on a stool or something sure

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to look taller of course you know

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William Shatner Captain Kirk is only

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five six but he was a hero but he didn't

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make himself look especially tall I said

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you know I don't know that wasn't an

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issue I didn't even think about it at

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the time so well I really enjoyed your

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appearance on Stephen Colbert that must

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have been you must have been a little

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nervous before you walked out on that

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one but I thought you handled yourself

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very well and it was actually quite

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entertaining and educational well thank

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you Chris I mean I really enjoyed that I

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have to say it was the high point of my

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whole publicity deal in this book was

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that show nothing comes close to it in

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terms of the experience that I had and I

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am such a fan of Stephen Colbert's I

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mean I had been for years I've actually

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been in the studio audience numerous

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times with my sister who's another fan

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and I just was so psyched because of

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that you know I knew exactly what I was

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going to be up against the producers

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spend a lot of time talking to you and

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kind of preparing you for this and yes

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it was very nerve-wracking but I just

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sort of got in a state of mind of being

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so psyched and feeling so confident

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the material that I had to present that

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you know it was absolutely thrilling to

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do it what can I say I didn't see the

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episode sorry to say I made late on my

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homepage if you'd go to my website I'm

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gonna check it out okay just kind of

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summarizing it were they trying to treat

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this as a joke or was a very straight

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interview well Stephen Colbert always I

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mean are you familiar with his style and

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what yes he treated this the same way he

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treats every guest he did not you know

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overly ridicule me as a guest or the

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subject matter I didn't feel any way I

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mean if he always is sort of doing his

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number on every guest that he has and so

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he did his number with me and it was

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really fun and he was very funny and I

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found you know when I went on there I

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sort of again the whole issue is talking

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points I sort of had in my mind certain

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points that I wanted to make sure I

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would get out and once I was sitting

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there office with Stephen Colbert he's

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incredibly powerful you know you focus

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just becomes purely on responding to him

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as a character that's how it was for me

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I couldn't really think about oh I need

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to make sure I say this that or the

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other thing about UFOs it just became

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this a dialogue between me and him and

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the whole thing was to just be on the

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ball and be able to take him on as a

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person and be responsive to him and

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that's what it just was all about once

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you get there he's just a very high you

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know high-powered intense guy to be

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sitting opposite but no I felt he was

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really fair about the subject matter and

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he sure he made fun of it but no more

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they does with everything else yeah

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did you happen to see Derrel Sims I

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guess that wasn't an interview that was

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one of their prepared you know I don't

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know why Daryl since ever allowed them

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we continue with Leslie Kane with Jean

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and Kris on the para cast exploring her

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experiences as the author of a

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best-selling book about UFOs and isn't

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it good this is a real serious kind of

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volume something that covers UFOs in a

677
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scientific fashion in doing this book

678
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and in doing the publicity toward Leslie

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did you find yourself getting more and

680
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more information from people who now

681
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feel better about releasing it I you

682
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know I that really hasn't happened Jean

683
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I mean she's trying to think I mean I've

684
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gotten a few maybe some few people that

685
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have contacted me with information but

686
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:15,570
it hasn't been a major major result of

687
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:17,970
the book a lot of people have written me

688
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,070
who have read it you know and have been

689
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really impacted by it people in the

690
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scientific community and you know very

691
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sort of sophisticated people who said

692
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I've never you know never taken UFO

693
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seriously and now I've never read a book

694
00:28:35,659 --> 00:28:33,960
on it and now this book is completely

695
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changing my perspective things like that

696
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,429
but in terms of new case material or

697
00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:39,900
something like that no there hasn't been

698
00:28:44,659 --> 00:28:42,630
a lot of it with you now what about the

699
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:44,669
presence of someone like John Podesta

700
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who did the foreword for the book

701
00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:49,020
obviously his close ties to the Clinton

702
00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:51,750
and the Obama administration's has that

703
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:54,030
helped you dole gain credibility for the

704
00:28:59,299 --> 00:28:56,580
subject I mean if today we're looking at

705
00:29:00,919 --> 00:28:59,309
the public's reaction to UFOs compared

706
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,929
to what it was a year ago do you think

707
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:02,880
there's been any change improvement we

708
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,890
hope I mean I hope so and I certainly

709
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think that having John Podesta write the

710
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,549
foreword made a big difference I mean

711
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,559
really really significant difference

712
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,659
especially in the within the political

713
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world as you mentioned cuz he is so

714
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well-connected and it's opened a lot of

715
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:20,490
doors the fact that he did that but in

716
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,919
terms of the overall impact I mean it's

717
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,020
it's just so hard to say because I you

718
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:26,640
know all my response all comes from

719
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individual if the accumulation of

720
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:30,090
individual people who are respond

721
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:32,610
to this I certainly sense that the media

722
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:35,340
is always getting more and more open to

723
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:35,700
it

724
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:46,559
of a cumulative effect that happens as a

725
00:29:50,899 --> 00:29:48,570
result of it and I know that people that

726
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:50,909
actually read this book you know people

727
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:52,409
who are going to read read the whole

728
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:56,460
book and have not been open to UFOs in

729
00:30:00,140 --> 00:29:57,990
the past it's just I think it's

730
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:00,150
literally impossible for them to do it

731
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to read it and not have their feelings

732
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,320
changed about it it's just so hard for

733
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me to gauge you know the public the

734
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:08,490
overall public situation I mean

735
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obviously you know a lot more people

736
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:13,140
have not read it than have read it so

737
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:15,270
you know I don't know and of course I'm

738
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:16,679
very interested I'm really most

739
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,690
interested in in affecting the

740
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scientific and the political worlds and

741
00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:23,010
as I said in the book trying to get some

742
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:24,990
kind of change in government policy

743
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:28,049
towards this issue and that is not an

744
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:30,570
easy task as I'm sure you all can

745
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:32,610
imagine we've tried for what six years

746
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:36,120
right now since major Donald Kehoe tried

747
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:38,610
back in the 50s to affect a change it

748
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hasn't happened now today have you had a

749
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:44,789
chance in the past year to talk to

750
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,700
people in government who can do

751
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:49,679
something make a difference or they so

752
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,380
wrapped up with the deficits and the

753
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:54,120
political squabbling that there's just

754
00:30:57,919 --> 00:30:56,130
no time to deal with this yeah I mean

755
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,929
sort of both at the same time I mean yes

756
00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:00,120
I have had some interesting meetings and

757
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:01,950
conversations with people and it's sort

758
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:05,250
of a slow process of trying to educate

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00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:07,289
you know people in positions of power

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00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,570
about this issue that's been happening

761
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,059
sort of behind the scenes but at the

762
00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:15,179
same time I learn more and more as I do

763
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:17,309
that that yes I mean this is an issue

764
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that is absolutely not of concern to

765
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,679
that to the political world and I can

766
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understand why and given everything

767
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:25,980
they've got going on you know it just

768
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isn't a high priority concern so most of

769
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:31,799
them they don't know anything about it

770
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,230
absolutely nothing you know so you're

771
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,360
really up against it especially now when

772
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:38,220
things are sort of in this crisis mode

773
00:31:42,139 --> 00:31:39,809
and we're going to have the election

774
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:42,149
coming up you know it's just it's very

775
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:43,710
difficult to get the

776
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:46,470
level of attention that is required in

777
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,450
order for even incremental changes to

778
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:50,159
happen that doesn't mean that I'm not

779
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:52,950
working on it and I am working on it and

780
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,370
I'm going to keep working on it but it's

781
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:59,039
really up against it even more than I

782
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:00,840
thought I think I was a little naive

783
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:03,390
maybe in the book with my expectations

784
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:09,659
but you know I'm really learning at the

785
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,610
same time I am interesting more and more

786
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:14,340
people in it and getting more contacts

787
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:16,950
and things are happening so you see both

788
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:19,230
things happening at once doesn't it also

789
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:21,630
have to happen with public pressure I

790
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:24,659
mean we still elect these people the

791
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,720
public office and yes maybe they are to

792
00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:29,760
a large degree beholden to large

793
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:31,940
corporations more and more these days

794
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:35,039
still if a lot of people write and say

795
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:37,649
do this do that they're going to have to

796
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:40,350
respond yeah I just I don't think that's

797
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:42,120
gonna happen I don't think that you know

798
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:44,850
that people are don't have jobs and you

799
00:32:47,419 --> 00:32:46,529
know are struggling their various ways I

800
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:47,429
don't think that they're gonna be

801
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:49,980
writing letters about UFOs right now my

802
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:51,630
other concern about that the whole

803
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:53,490
public approach thing is that so many

804
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:56,340
people that get in get do write letters

805
00:33:01,340 --> 00:32:59,190
sort of write them with language that's

806
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:01,350
inappropriate and you know they sound

807
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:04,169
like this sort of kind of nut cases that

808
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:06,059
officials don't want to deal with I mean

809
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,500
you have to I've learned this from my

810
00:33:11,539 --> 00:33:09,360
conversations with people in Washington

811
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:11,549
you have to be so careful how you

812
00:33:16,010 --> 00:33:13,770
approach the subject what language you

813
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,020
use how you discuss it

814
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,880
you know the aura and what you bring to

815
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,640
it and when you get constituents writing

816
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,919
letters about you know this or that you

817
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,750
know the aliens are visiting us or

818
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,600
whatever it's just sometimes it's more

819
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:29,760
can be counterproductive actually well

820
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:31,770
I'll ask you your person who's been

821
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,510
writing about this subject and studying

822
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:35,399
it for a long time you dealt with people

823
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:38,250
in Washington you have these contacts so

824
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:39,929
we have a lot of listeners out there who

825
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,399
are interested in UFOs they'd like to

826
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:43,620
see some sort of disclosure at least

827
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:46,169
more scientific investigation can you

828
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:48,840
maybe in a few minutes that we can go

829
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:50,630
into this a little bit through the show

830
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,600
suggest how do they phrase what do they

831
00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:56,880
say to make

832
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,710
press the point without making

833
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:01,380
themselves look like lunatics I'd be

834
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:02,910
happy to give them given that in my

835
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,640
opinion on that absolutely sure well

836
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:07,380
let's go ahead what do you think if I'm

837
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:09,030
writing a letter I want to write to my

838
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:12,179
senator or my congressman I want to ask

839
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:14,730
for investigations what do I say how do

840
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:16,950
I say it well I think what you just said

841
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:18,210
is first of all the first and most

842
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:19,830
important point if you ask for an

843
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:21,690
investigation you're not asking for

844
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,120
disclosure which means you're not asking

845
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:26,460
them to release some big secret that

846
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,990
they've been sitting on for 50 years

847
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:29,700
that they have a crash sauce or hidden

848
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:31,889
away or this or that you're just asking

849
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:34,889
them for investigation into something

850
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,320
that is a genuine mystery that needs to

851
00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:39,960
be uncovered and the reason that it's

852
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,389
important is four three the way we've

853
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:43,919
been approaching it is a three pronged

854
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:45,990
approach number one is there are a be

855
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,510
aviation safety implications because of

856
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:50,820
these things flying around number two

857
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:52,350
there's even national security

858
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,090
implications although I don't think

859
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:56,220
there is significant as the aviation

860
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,960
safety ones where you have the cases at

861
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:01,200
the military bases and the third one is

862
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,530
the scientific straight scientific you

863
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:07,200
know prong which is you know this is an

864
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:09,450
unsolved mystery and it's a real

865
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:11,910
phenomenon and the scientists need to

866
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:13,650
take it on just like they've taken on

867
00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:16,380
lots of other bizarre issues that

868
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:18,270
they've studied over the years and we

869
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:19,830
need to learn more about it I think

870
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:21,240
that's the approach to take you don't

871
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,070
want to be accusing the government of

872
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:25,560
keeping you know having some horrible

873
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:26,970
secrets and there's all these

874
00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:29,550
conspiracies about people some elected

875
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,350
officials know about it and some don't

876
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:34,260
and you just you don't want to scare

877
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:36,210
them you know make them run away as if

878
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:37,290
they've done something bad because

879
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,640
wherever you're writing to is going to

880
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:41,160
know absolutely nothing about UFOs

881
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,320
they just don't one thing about it also

882
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:45,930
Leslie is the fact that that letter is

883
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,150
not necessarily going to get into the

884
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:50,400
hands of the public official it's going

885
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,100
to go into their assistant or executive

886
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:55,920
assistant or someone who reads hundreds

887
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,660
thousands of letters every week from

888
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:00,300
constituents and they're going to decide

889
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:03,180
what rises to the top of the pile to

890
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:04,950
actually get to that person's attention

891
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,320
most times it will never get beyond the

892
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:09,240
assistant so you really have

893
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,430
tread carefully here because you might

894
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:13,980
find yourself going into the junk mail

895
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:16,230
bin you don't want to exactly that's

896
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:17,609
absolutely right and you know one thing

897
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:19,890
we've been doing more of is using the

898
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,190
acronym you ap as opposed to us oh I

899
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:25,260
mean if you can avoid the word UFO

900
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:27,270
you're you're you're at one step ahead

901
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:29,790
that's something I want to with you as

902
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:31,650
we progressed in this show the phrase

903
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,770
UFO is so often used of course from the

904
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,900
days of Captain Edward ruppelt at that

905
00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:39,119
time flying saucers had the stigma we

906
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:41,430
call them flying saucers than UFOs we

907
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,220
had a pro the saucer group of many years

908
00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:46,859
ago that enforce their own terminology

909
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,790
ueo and now you have that version let's

910
00:36:54,049 --> 00:36:52,380
talk about phraseology in a moment

911
00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:54,059
Leslie Kane joining us with Jean and

912
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Chris on the para ghost

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Don Ecker and you are tuned into the

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let me tell you what you're gonna hear

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stuff here anywhere else of course Chris

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gets paid extra when he says the para

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cast instead of getting just one cent

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per show he gets two cents I'll throw in

1011
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my two cents with Gina and Chris we have

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she's author of The New York Times

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couldn't afford the hardcover version

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is there an eBook version too by the way

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it's been on Kindle it's been available

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in eBook since that since last year so

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that's also an option I mentioned that

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because in many cases ebooks are now

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outselling traditional print thanks so

1025
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there you go that's good okay so we're

1026
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talking about getting your viewpoints

1027
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known to your government officials

1028
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demanding an investigation and about

1029
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:18,340
what we call the phenomenon we called it

1030
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:21,250
flying saucers at one time aha flying

1031
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:24,490
saucers then Edward Group Health said

1032
00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:27,790
UFO so UFO is now passe we got to drop

1033
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,760
that term it has too much baggage what

1034
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:33,760
do you mean I use it of course and this

1035
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:36,190
title in my book but I'm just to the

1036
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:37,870
extent that when you're dealing with

1037
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:40,270
people in positions of power you know if

1038
00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:42,460
they if you just you have to sense it in

1039
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:44,740
the situation but it can be useful to

1040
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:46,780
use you ap it just sort of gives them

1041
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:49,180
you know it prevents them from having

1042
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:51,400
the sort of negative reaction that they

1043
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:53,050
might have otherwise you have to say

1044
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:55,150
what you ap stands for and you're gonna

1045
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:56,770
have to give a line you sort of defining

1046
00:43:01,110 --> 00:42:58,810
what you're talking about and I do I do

1047
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:01,120
have a definition of that in my book but

1048
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:03,100
it's just a very tricky business I think

1049
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:04,870
also the thing about writing to your

1050
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:06,430
representative if you can fly if you

1051
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:08,080
have a representative that's on some

1052
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:10,600
committee that has some relationship to

1053
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:12,670
this subject matter you know a

1054
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:15,010
scientific committee or Technology

1055
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:16,660
Committee or something then you know you

1056
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:19,030
have more of a chance of it of it

1057
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:20,860
making a difference and maybe it's good

1058
00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:22,810
to target the representatives that have

1059
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:24,340
some kind of relationship to some

1060
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:26,050
committee that has some kind of

1061
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,940
relationship to this issue I mean it's

1062
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:29,680
it's really hard but I think the main

1063
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:31,330
thing is to just be very careful to be

1064
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:33,550
very scientific about it and that you

1065
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:35,230
have to give them a reason why they

1066
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,240
should care why is this worthy of their

1067
00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:39,520
time you know that's a hard thing to do

1068
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:40,840
you don't want to be accusing the

1069
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:43,330
government of deeds of secrecy and

1070
00:43:47,310 --> 00:43:45,640
although these deeds of keeping things

1071
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,320
secret from the public and all that kind

1072
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:50,140
of stuff you want to appeal to them as a

1073
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:52,780
person a community who needs their help

1074
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:54,580
people like to be asked for help and

1075
00:43:59,820 --> 00:43:57,190
makes them feel good so we need you

1076
00:44:02,400 --> 00:43:59,830
America to become part of this worldwide

1077
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:02,410
investigation into this phenomenon with

1078
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:05,350
and I think also Jean and Krista let

1079
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:07,360
people let these representatives know

1080
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that other countries are actively

1081
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:10,990
involved with this that they have

1082
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:13,210
agencies that are actually working on

1083
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:15,430
this is important you know America is

1084
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:17,710
unique in its and in some ways and it's

1085
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:19,090
sort of aversion to the subject matter

1086
00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:20,410
but certainly the fact that other

1087
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:22,030
countries European countries take it

1088
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:25,150
seriously is important to these people I

1089
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,190
know that well very recently of course

1090
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:29,440
we had another round of data released by

1091
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:33,910
the British government you don't exactly

1092
00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:35,860
need any more data I mean it's always

1093
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:37,900
interesting but we don't do you think we

1094
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:39,010
have enough now do you think we have

1095
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:40,420
enough information out there that are

1096
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:42,730
for you sent that out to the proper

1097
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:46,090
level of scientists when they engage in

1098
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:48,130
the proper degree of scrutiny they'll

1099
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:50,350
figure out what's going on well I don't

1100
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:51,550
think it's no I mean I don't think they

1101
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:52,840
can figure it out just from the

1102
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:54,820
documents we have I mean they're not

1103
00:44:58,380 --> 00:44:56,650
going to be able to figure out where

1104
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:58,390
what the UFOs actually are and where

1105
00:45:01,290 --> 00:44:59,050
they come from

1106
00:45:02,490 --> 00:45:01,300
obviously I mean there certainly can be

1107
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:02,500
convinced that there is a real

1108
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:05,500
phenomenon and I think those that read

1109
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:07,930
my book had been convinced of that but I

1110
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,430
think the only way they're ever going to

1111
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:11,410
get to the bottom of this is to really

1112
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:14,980
become proactive to put energy resources

1113
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:18,040
time intellect into creating a

1114
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:20,140
methodology by which they can actually

1115
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:22,810
capture data that they haven't captured

1116
00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:25,150
before I mean they have to come up with

1117
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,820
their way of getting to the bottom of

1118
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,320
this mystery and it's not about just

1119
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:30,880
looking a lot of documents that we

1120
00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:33,010
already have it's about actually

1121
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,800
being out there and collecting new

1122
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:38,800
information maybe finding a way to you

1123
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:41,580
know get a highly highly sophisticated

1124
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:44,290
photographic equipment out it'll give

1125
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:45,610
you all kinds of information about

1126
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:47,770
objects and have to go places where they

1127
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,320
tend to show up I mean it's a big deal

1128
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:52,000
and it'll be an expensive process but

1129
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,980
you know no I disagree there I'm in the

1130
00:46:01,290 --> 00:45:58,480
midst of putting together a seven

1131
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:01,300
cameras surveillance setup at one of the

1132
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:05,830
if not the most hot spot UFO area in the

1133
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:07,510
lower 48 states in the San Luis Valley

1134
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:11,050
and for $100,000 you'd be surprised at

1135
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:13,930
the quality of hard scientific data that

1136
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:16,810
she'd be able to to actually compile

1137
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:19,870
with recording grab graviton owners with

1138
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:21,940
recording you know with magnetometers

1139
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:24,910
and with a coordinated synchronized

1140
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:26,950
camera setup it's really the technology

1141
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:29,530
has come down in price and the quality

1142
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:32,650
has gone up to such a degree that we can

1143
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:35,170
do this now for a low six figures and

1144
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:38,350
and I think you're you're in it towards

1145
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:39,490
the end of the book when you propose

1146
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:41,560
solutions yeah I think that that's

1147
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:43,930
really important for our listeners to

1148
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:47,170
understand is there is no substitute for

1149
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:50,440
hard scientific data and if we can come

1150
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:53,020
up with irrefutable unassailable data

1151
00:46:58,290 --> 00:46:55,710
then we are going to be able to interest

1152
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:58,300
mainstream science and get them involved

1153
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:00,460
that's when we'll start the ball rolling

1154
00:47:05,550 --> 00:47:03,010
and I champion this this approach that

1155
00:47:09,390 --> 00:47:05,560
that you mentioned in your book and you

1156
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:09,400
know as far as disclosure is concerned I

1157
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:11,530
think listeners who've heard me talk

1158
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:14,080
about this a number of occasions will

1159
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:15,880
know that I think it's a total pipe

1160
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:18,370
dream and I have a suspicion that some

1161
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:20,950
of these releases of documents by other

1162
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:23,620
countries is just basically taking the

1163
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,710
heat off the u.s. right now and what do

1164
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:28,240
you think of that you mean that it's

1165
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:34,810
actually done for that purpose well I

1166
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:38,680
mean it's like it's like those it's like

1167
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:41,290
I would liken it to a pressure cooker

1168
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,290
and the u.s. is is under pressure and

1169
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:46,000
these releases by other countries

1170
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:46,800
seem to be

1171
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:49,800
like a pressure relief valve that it's

1172
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:51,390
letting out some of that pressure in

1173
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:53,910
that steam and in taking the onus off

1174
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:56,850
the u.s. for just maybe a short period

1175
00:48:01,160 --> 00:47:59,400
and tell the next tell Peru maybe

1176
00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:01,170
releases something our Belgian comes out

1177
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,150
with more material or the French it

1178
00:48:07,340 --> 00:48:05,160
seems to me that this is all being done

1179
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:07,350
in concert I don't have proof of that

1180
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:10,050
but that that's my suspicion yeah I mean

1181
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,490
I don't have proof of that either and

1182
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,140
you know I know that these countries

1183
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:16,920
have decided years ago to do this and it

1184
00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:18,510
just takes a while for the documents to

1185
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:19,590
come out certainly the Ministry of

1186
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:21,000
Defense documents has taken many years

1187
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:24,060
but I don't know I tend to I don't think

1188
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:27,150
there's somehow in kawatte you know in

1189
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,980
cahoots with the United States and have

1190
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:30,660
some kind of plan to try to take the

1191
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:32,430
pressure off of them personally I don't

1192
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:34,350
I don't see any evidence of that but I

1193
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:36,090
don't I wouldn't have any way of knowing

1194
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:38,220
for sure and I don't know I don't think

1195
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:39,750
there's that much pressure on the US

1196
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:42,930
right now I mean I don't know but again

1197
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:44,940
my position is that I don't think the

1198
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,580
release of documents is really and you

1199
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:49,500
know what we need anyway I mean it's not

1200
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:51,270
gonna tell us anything we don't already

1201
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:53,250
know we have thousands and thousands of

1202
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:56,090
pages already of absolutely superb

1203
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,770
documents that establish the reality of

1204
00:49:03,050 --> 00:48:59,880
this without a doubt

1205
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:03,060
so another batch of documents you know

1206
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,710
unless there's some smoking gun that's

1207
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:06,720
accidentally released it's just not

1208
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:08,970
going to really make any difference than

1209
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:10,530
this you know in a way it can almost be

1210
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:12,090
a distraction because people think oh

1211
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:14,430
boy more documents and they don't they

1212
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:16,560
lose sight of what we really need which

1213
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:18,210
is something more along the lines of

1214
00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:22,770
what you were saying Chris Leslie a

1215
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:24,120
question occurs to me is you're talking

1216
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:27,990
about this or the approach of getting

1217
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:30,390
information out there what does the

1218
00:49:35,330 --> 00:49:32,790
government know and when did they know

1219
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,340
it do they have any smoking gun is there

1220
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:37,410
something inside the government where

1221
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,960
they know what's going on or are they're

1222
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,480
just basically taking the position well

1223
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,920
it doesn't show an immediate threat to

1224
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:45,000
national security

1225
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:46,890
let's not worry about it we've got more

1226
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,450
problems to deal with yeah I mean

1227
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:50,520
whether there is some kind of inside

1228
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:53,100
secret deep dark program that might be

1229
00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:55,770
working on this absolutely and you know

1230
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:58,710
of course I I don't know the answer to

1231
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,300
that because we don't have

1232
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:01,920
a journalist and I sort of have certain

1233
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:04,410
criteria by which I have to you know

1234
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:07,470
agree and we're by which I will say yes

1235
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:09,390
I know this or I don't know this and of

1236
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:11,070
course I don't know the answer to that

1237
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,320
of course there's lots of interesting

1238
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,780
points that suggest the possibility of

1239
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:18,060
it I certainly would you know my book I

1240
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,100
bring forward a new document from the UK

1241
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:22,500
which suggests that there is such a

1242
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:24,230
program in the United States and I and

1243
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:27,270
sources I've spoken to have also led me

1244
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:30,090
to believe that there is but and I wrote

1245
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:31,410
a chapter about it in the book sort of

1246
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:33,000
why I think there is and why I think

1247
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:35,190
there might not be I think it's an open

1248
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:37,560
question as far as I'm concerned but I I

1249
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:39,390
certainly think it's a possibility that

1250
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:41,970
there is such a program and if there is

1251
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:46,440
I would add that the vast majority of

1252
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:48,510
government officials know nothing about

1253
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:49,080
it

1254
00:50:52,610 --> 00:50:50,970
so there are elected representatives as

1255
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:52,620
far as they're concerned it doesn't it

1256
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,570
just doesn't exist so this whole thing

1257
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:56,640
you're saying about well it's not this

1258
00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:58,110
isn't really a national security to

1259
00:51:02,660 --> 00:50:59,430
concern we're not going to really worry

1260
00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:02,670
about it would still apply to most

1261
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:04,590
people within the Defense Department or

1262
00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:06,290
anywhere else because if there is such a

1263
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:08,550
research project going on it's not going

1264
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:10,820
to be known to those people anyway

1265
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:13,020
that's sort of the way I look at it now

1266
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:15,120
that's just opinion based on the

1267
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:17,370
information that I have I certainly

1268
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:18,630
don't have the answer to the question

1269
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:20,490
that's for sure and the other suggestion

1270
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:22,230
made sometimes and we'll get into it the

1271
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:25,530
next segment is is the president at the

1272
00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:27,510
beginning or end of the information

1273
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,820
chain because the president comes and

1274
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:31,740
goes but the government bureaucrats the

1275
00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:34,520
commanders and military officials remain

1276
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:36,140
administration after administration

1277
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:40,650
would they even tell the president

1278
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:42,780
unless it was an immediate matter of

1279
00:51:46,340 --> 00:51:44,340
national security let's hold that

1280
00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:46,350
question with Gene and Chris we have

1281
00:51:57,739 --> 00:51:55,089
[Music]

1282
00:51:59,779 --> 00:51:57,749
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

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00:52:01,789 --> 00:51:59,789
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00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:01,799
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1294
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:24,569
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

1295
00:52:27,799 --> 00:52:26,130
why banks stockbrokers investment

1296
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:27,809
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

1297
00:52:30,859 --> 00:52:29,249
they've been available since nineteen

1298
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,869
eighty six yet the financial industry

1299
00:52:34,339 --> 00:52:32,579
won't recognize the value of gold free

1300
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1301
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:36,479
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1302
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you would like to have gold for your

1303
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:56,770
[Music]

1304
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:00,710
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1305
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:05,570
standard of paranormal radio and now

1306
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,730
here's Jane Steinberg we continue with

1307
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:14,160
the second hour of the para cast with

1308
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:16,890
Jean and Chris Leslie cane joins us this

1309
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:18,990
month paperback edition of her

1310
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:22,110
best-selling book UFOs generals pilots

1311
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:25,740
and government officials go on the

1312
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:28,470
record there's also that History Channel

1313
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:31,830
documentary called secret access UFOs on

1314
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:34,110
the record premieres Thursday August

1315
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:38,340
25th at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time but like

1316
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:40,650
with other cable shows it'll be repeated

1317
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:42,930
and hopefully over and over again so you

1318
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:44,790
won't miss it maybe you'll be available

1319
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,650
in other countries so you heard the

1320
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,720
question here the president at the end

1321
00:53:53,330 --> 00:53:50,880
of the food chain for information what

1322
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:53,340
do you think I really have no idea you

1323
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:56,970
guys I mean I just I don't know any more

1324
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:59,400
about that than anybody else who's read

1325
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:01,140
what's out there and just thought about

1326
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:03,870
it I just have no idea I sort of doubt

1327
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:06,660
that most presidents are briefed about

1328
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:09,990
UFOs but I'm in no position to know any

1329
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:11,790
more about it than you or Chris or

1330
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,830
anyone else so I have to pass on that

1331
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:15,960
one of course you got the other question

1332
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:17,850
here well we have that legendary

1333
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,730
sighting from Jimmy Carter but we heard

1334
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:23,460
nothing about UFOs once he became

1335
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:27,300
president so yeah I don't yeah and again

1336
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:29,580
there's a people have reported there was

1337
00:54:33,830 --> 00:54:31,650
a meeting and he was in tears you know

1338
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:33,840
or something like that and I I I just

1339
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:36,660
don't know I mean maybe he tried to make

1340
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:38,850
something happen yeah I mean that's a

1341
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:40,650
that's a very interesting example also

1342
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:42,270
maybe that once he became president he

1343
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:43,740
just realized that they had so many

1344
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:45,990
other things to deal with that it just

1345
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:50,280
slipped away but presidency they have to

1346
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:52,740
consider re-election prospects too and

1347
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:54,990
it may not be politically correct to

1348
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,050
profess in dangers in UFOs it might work

1349
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:00,480
at a campaign stop but once they get

1350
00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:01,740
into office they have to look at the

1351
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:04,350
larger picture the millions and millions

1352
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:06,390
of dollars of donations they expect to

1353
00:55:10,479 --> 00:55:07,609
get to run a campaign

1354
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:10,489
and so they don't talk about it anymore

1355
00:55:14,829 --> 00:55:12,529
I use English you know I wish Jimmy

1356
00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:14,839
Carter before his he dies would at least

1357
00:55:19,269 --> 00:55:17,630
let us know exactly what happens that

1358
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,279
would be the ideal scenario he's the

1359
00:55:23,709 --> 00:55:21,200
only one that really knows wasn't

1360
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:23,719
Hillary Clinton's supposedly curious

1361
00:55:27,130 --> 00:55:25,940
about this well I mean there's this

1362
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:27,140
whole thing with what they call the

1363
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:28,729
Rockefeller initiative where where

1364
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:30,410
Laurance Rockefeller was writing letters

1365
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:32,660
to Frank press I believe it was the

1366
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:34,910
scientific advisor of the President and

1367
00:55:40,059 --> 00:55:38,209
you know the Clintons responded to these

1368
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:40,069
letters from Rockefeller and they

1369
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:43,160
invited him to their ranch and I'm you

1370
00:55:46,299 --> 00:55:44,569
know Bill Clinton made some inquiry

1371
00:55:47,489 --> 00:55:46,309
certainly he's at he's curious about

1372
00:55:50,049 --> 00:55:47,499
this and he tried to get some

1373
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:50,059
information when he was president but

1374
00:55:55,259 --> 00:55:52,609
you know I think that the significance

1375
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:55,269
of all of that tends to be exaggerated I

1376
00:56:00,219 --> 00:55:58,130
just never found it to be quite as

1377
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:00,229
compelling as a lot of people think it

1378
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:03,170
is but I know that Bill Clinton is

1379
00:56:07,029 --> 00:56:05,690
curious about this subject I don't know

1380
00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:07,039
as much about Hillary Clinton and

1381
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:08,839
Hillary Clinton certainly being

1382
00:56:14,049 --> 00:56:10,729
Secretary of State now is not going to

1383
00:56:15,729 --> 00:56:14,059
go anywhere near it well she's also

1384
00:56:18,279 --> 00:56:15,739
supposedly indicated that she's not

1385
00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:18,289
going to stay beyond the first term in

1386
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:19,969
the Obama administration not going to

1387
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:21,529
run for office so maybe it's a private

1388
00:56:26,439 --> 00:56:24,680
citizen she might be as they say more

1389
00:56:28,539 --> 00:56:26,449
forthcoming but how the heck do you ever

1390
00:56:30,099 --> 00:56:28,549
know well see what happens I mean once

1391
00:56:32,469 --> 00:56:30,109
Bill and Hillary are both out of

1392
00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:32,479
politics you know it just makes it a

1393
00:56:37,539 --> 00:56:34,999
little more possible but but even even

1394
00:56:39,339 --> 00:56:37,549
for Bill Clinton right now with his wife

1395
00:56:42,699 --> 00:56:39,349
being Secretary of State it's certainly

1396
00:56:43,959 --> 00:56:42,709
even the limits his ability to you know

1397
00:56:45,699 --> 00:56:43,969
you have to be careful about what he

1398
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,709
does and says just in terms of

1399
00:56:49,479 --> 00:56:47,839
protecting her he's also protecting the

1400
00:56:51,819 --> 00:56:49,489
Obama administration they want to keep

1401
00:56:53,799 --> 00:56:51,829
the Democrats in the White House so he

1402
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:53,809
has to watch what he says even though he

1403
00:56:58,959 --> 00:56:55,940
tends to be you know a little bit loose

1404
00:57:02,140 --> 00:56:58,969
lipped sometimes listen but not about

1405
00:57:04,509 --> 00:57:02,150
UFOs unfortunately unfortunately indeed

1406
00:57:07,059 --> 00:57:04,519
okay so we have all the people still

1407
00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:07,069
demanding disclosure as a matter of fact

1408
00:57:11,949 --> 00:57:09,380
Chris was mentioning disclosure is the

1409
00:57:13,959 --> 00:57:11,959
corrective demand to make okay that's

1410
00:57:16,029 --> 00:57:13,969
the bottom line as I was saying earlier

1411
00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:16,039
I don't you I think that word should be

1412
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:18,140
dropped from the lexicon quite honestly

1413
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:21,320
I mean it implies that there's a secret

1414
00:57:24,990 --> 00:57:23,390
being held that the US government knows

1415
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,000
that we have been visited by

1416
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:28,160
extraterrestrials and that disclosure by

1417
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,720
definition means the government's

1418
00:57:33,850 --> 00:57:32,000
supposed to announce that yes we are

1419
00:57:36,340 --> 00:57:33,860
being visited by extraterrestrials I

1420
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:36,350
mean I just you know that is not that is

1421
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:38,030
not the appropriate thing to ask a

1422
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:40,760
politician to do they're gonna run far

1423
00:57:45,850 --> 00:57:43,670
away from any letter making a request

1424
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:45,860
like that or any letter that states that

1425
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:47,080
we are being visited by

1426
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:49,310
extraterrestrials I mean they just don't

1427
00:57:57,580 --> 00:57:55,390
yeah you have to ask them to I said you

1428
00:57:59,380 --> 00:57:57,590
want an investigation into this we want

1429
00:58:00,820 --> 00:57:59,390
to find out what this mystery is all

1430
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:00,830
about but you can't claim that we

1431
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:03,170
already know what it is when we don't

1432
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:05,210
with Steven Bassett has come up with a

1433
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:06,650
new term which i think is kind of

1434
00:58:12,310 --> 00:58:10,400
curious called the truth embargo and now

1435
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:12,320
he's champion the ending of the truth

1436
00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:16,310
embargo and Chris that still implies

1437
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:19,550
that exactly guilty no it's the same

1438
00:58:22,810 --> 00:58:21,170
it's the same thing I mean that he's

1439
00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:22,820
been touting that term since he starts

1440
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:24,230
the same thing as the word disclosure

1441
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:26,360
truth embargo I mean you know truth

1442
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:28,250
embargo on what what's the truth that

1443
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:29,900
he's talking about it's just it's the

1444
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:31,310
same thing I just said that the

1445
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:33,710
extraterrestrials are visiting us okay

1446
00:58:38,770 --> 00:58:35,990
well does Leslie Kane at this point

1447
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:38,780
think that et is visiting us well I mean

1448
00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:40,430
I certainly think you know it's a

1449
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:42,560
possibility you can't rule it out when

1450
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:44,330
you look at the totality of the evidence

1451
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:46,430
that we have I mean you know nobody in

1452
00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:48,440
the right mind is going to say that they

1453
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:50,060
can't possible I guess that's not true

1454
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:51,830
the debuggers will say that but yeah I

1455
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,270
mean I'm totally open to that

1456
00:58:58,030 --> 00:58:55,280
possibility and I certainly think it's a

1457
00:58:59,920 --> 00:58:58,040
rational hypothesis just like the people

1458
00:59:01,330 --> 00:58:59,930
that wrote the committee report did and

1459
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:01,340
the other generals that have written for

1460
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:03,290
my book and you know very high-level

1461
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:06,530
people all agree that that is a real

1462
00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:09,380
possibility and problem is though we

1463
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:11,750
need to find definitive proof that is

1464
00:59:15,550 --> 00:59:13,880
the kind of proof that will satisfy the

1465
00:59:17,650 --> 00:59:15,560
status quo that will satisfy the

1466
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:17,660
scientific community before it's going

1467
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:19,970
to be accepted as an actual reality and

1468
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:22,940
until that point comes you know for us

1469
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,190
to just jump the jump ahead and assume

1470
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:27,200
that that's what's happening is is

1471
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:29,180
counterproductive it just doesn't it

1472
00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:31,490
doesn't interest the scientific

1473
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:33,380
community to come on board when we act

1474
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:35,090
as if we've already solved the problem

1475
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:37,250
and since a lot of them can't find it

1476
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,140
very hard to accept that we could be

1477
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:40,880
visited anyway just because of the laws

1478
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:43,490
of physics it makes it even harder to

1479
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:45,710
you know shove that in their face you

1480
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:47,420
just can't do it obviously I believe

1481
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:50,720
that that's a significant possibility I

1482
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:52,190
mean how can you not believe that

1483
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:54,650
there's not a lot of choices when you

1484
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:57,110
rule out all the other possibilities of

1485
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,670
course you don't consider the exotic

1486
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:01,280
possibilities interdimensional another

1487
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:03,770
race coexisting with us on this planet

1488
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:05,840
the so called crypto terrestrials you

1489
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,430
don't really pay attention to that to

1490
01:00:11,530 --> 01:00:10,160
you well that's not I mean I I do I

1491
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:11,540
certainly think the interdimensional

1492
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:13,790
thing is me it sort of all fits in one

1493
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:16,550
realm of something you know is

1494
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:18,770
undiscovered and it's otherworldly but

1495
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:20,690
um you know I don't know any more than

1496
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:23,690
anyone else about what these things

1497
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:25,820
could be my focus is really as a

1498
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:27,890
journalist is to present what we do know

1499
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:30,290
about them what the evidence is that the

1500
01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:33,470
phenomenon is real how it behaves what

1501
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:35,300
it looks like what is the documentation

1502
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:37,370
for it and then I've got to leave it up

1503
01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:39,470
to the experts a scientist to figure out

1504
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:42,980
the explanation for it and you know so

1505
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:44,930
I'm not in any position to know any more

1506
01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:47,450
than anyone else it's just my opinion

1507
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:49,640
really about what they actually might be

1508
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:52,130
but I you know I've talked to so many

1509
01:00:56,110 --> 01:00:53,990
high-level people who I mean they just

1510
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,120
feel I mean it seems to be that for us

1511
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,640
humans you know the the et hypothesis

1512
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:00,880
seems the easiest one for us to accept

1513
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:04,010
but who knows that that that doesn't

1514
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:05,240
necessarily mean that's all that's going

1515
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,920
on but it just sort of seems to either

1516
01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:09,200
one that we gravitate towards it's the

1517
01:01:12,790 --> 01:01:11,300
easiest one you know we got planets out

1518
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,800
there that has maybe you know we're

1519
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:15,440
discovering more and more planets and it

1520
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:17,720
just seems to sort of fit for the way

1521
01:01:21,610 --> 01:01:20,180
people think but who knows what's going

1522
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:21,620
on out there that we don't that's way

1523
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:23,030
beyond that that we don't know anything

1524
01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:25,790
about so just parenthetically what do

1525
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:27,620
you think about the way we we've cut

1526
01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:29,830
back so much on space exploration

1527
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:32,390
certainly you know it's water water

1528
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:33,890
everywhere it seems like more and more

1529
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:36,890
places out there have water the

1530
01:01:40,210 --> 01:01:39,650
prospects of life and we don't seem to

1531
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:40,220
care any more

1532
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:43,760
it's sad to me I just get thrills when

1533
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:45,230
every time I read about more of these

1534
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:47,170
the Goldilocks zone plan

1535
01:01:55,710 --> 01:01:52,960
and so on you know I it's just to me

1536
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,720
it's a huge priority but I guess in

1537
01:01:59,370 --> 01:01:57,760
these the times we're dealing with now

1538
01:01:59,789 --> 01:01:59,380
the economic issues were dealing with it

1539
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,799
now

1540
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:01,599
a lot of people wouldn't don't feel that

1541
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:03,450
way they want the money to go elsewhere

1542
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:06,460
maybe it'll take e.t if there is an ET

1543
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:09,490
to land here and say here we are now you

1544
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,220
can't deny that we exist that would be

1545
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:14,319
wonderful like it hopefully it would be

1546
01:02:17,970 --> 01:02:14,770
wonderful

1547
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:17,980
yes they're benevolent and not just

1548
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preparing for whatever they're gonna

1549
01:02:25,530 --> 01:02:22,740
prepare for the book again is called

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there was a thread there called

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questions for Leslie cane when we and

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01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:55,260
Chris O'Brien has been going through

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01:08:00,020 --> 01:07:57,420
those questions and we're going to read

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them unedited which means we don't know

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01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:04,530
what they're gonna ask and Leslie's

1675
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:06,540
gonna be surprised perhaps but here we

1676
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:09,450
go Chris well first of all our former

1677
01:08:15,530 --> 01:08:11,910
skeptical moderator we do try to keep a

1678
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,540
a moderating crew that runs the gamut of

1679
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:17,839
opinion about these subjects and Angelo

1680
01:08:22,579 --> 01:08:20,190
unfortunately can't stay on as our

1681
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:22,589
moderator because of job requirements

1682
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:25,890
but he of course is quite a pair of cast

1683
01:08:30,559 --> 01:08:28,650
fan and he he posted the first questions

1684
01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:30,569
and I think you've already asked this

1685
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,910
first one which is how cool is Stephen

1686
01:08:35,690 --> 01:08:34,799
Colbert yeah I think you heard he had

1687
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:35,700
two deputies

1688
01:08:42,530 --> 01:08:38,690
he's pretty outrageous in it and it was

1689
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:42,540
yeah cool and it was really cool for him

1690
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,279
to have you on the show for such a

1691
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,040
controversial topic like that but Angela

1692
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,380
second question being a skeptic is do

1693
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:51,120
you think it's possible that any of the

1694
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,390
cases in your book have more to do with

1695
01:08:58,579 --> 01:08:55,920
misidentification than anything else and

1696
01:08:59,920 --> 01:08:58,589
up to this moment nothing has convinced

1697
01:09:02,230 --> 01:08:59,930
Angelo that

1698
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,240
or anything but misidentified objects

1699
01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:04,400
what convinced you that UFOs are not

1700
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:07,460
from Earth Wow well I mean you'd have to

1701
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:09,830
take each case you know separately to

1702
01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:11,870
answer the question about what you know

1703
01:09:15,060 --> 01:09:13,700
whether they could be misidentifications

1704
01:09:16,690 --> 01:09:15,070
by that I'm assuming they mean

1705
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:16,700
misidentifications with some kind of

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01:09:19,810 --> 01:09:17,260
manmade

1707
01:09:23,350 --> 01:09:19,820
technology or some natural phenomenon or

1708
01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:23,360
something explainable um and I think you

1709
01:09:28,270 --> 01:09:25,880
know if you read if you really look into

1710
01:09:29,620 --> 01:09:28,280
these cases the ones that I'm concerned

1711
01:09:31,690 --> 01:09:29,630
about are just so thoroughly

1712
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:31,700
investigated with so many witnesses that

1713
01:09:35,670 --> 01:09:34,010
I'd be interested to hear is it Angela

1714
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:35,680
the person who wrote Angela yeah

1715
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:38,900
Angela's opinion as to what he would

1716
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:41,450
think could likely be that this what

1717
01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:43,430
that misidentification might be say in

1718
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,760
the case of Parviz Jafari object that he

1719
01:09:51,670 --> 01:09:49,040
saw over Tehran or the object that was

1720
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,680
seen over Belgian or you know I suppose

1721
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:53,600
it's always a possibility I mean it's

1722
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:55,460
always a possibility that every single

1723
01:10:01,540 --> 01:09:58,730
even the best UFO case is explainable I

1724
01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:01,550
mean I'm not completely shut to that but

1725
01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:03,800
to me the chances of that are so

1726
01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:05,990
minuscule just because of how much is

1727
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:08,390
known about the objects that was that

1728
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,520
were observed and you have very bright

1729
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,320
skeptical people involved the

1730
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:14,960
investigations and you know it's hard to

1731
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:16,940
accept that in every single case if

1732
01:10:20,230 --> 01:10:18,800
there was an explanation for it they

1733
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:20,240
would not have been able to find it

1734
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,280
because they tried you know as hard as

1735
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,600
they possibly could people very

1736
01:10:27,310 --> 01:10:25,520
well-equipped to do so to find

1737
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:27,320
explanations for these things with all

1738
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:29,570
the dangers their disposal you know I I

1739
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:31,640
just find it extremely unlikely the fact

1740
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:33,500
that that every case can be explained

1741
01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:35,420
away like that especially the Brazilian

1742
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:37,790
Air Force case my goodness that that to

1743
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:41,060
me those two pilots boy if they were if

1744
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:42,410
they were observing something that was

1745
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:45,410
mundane and easily explained that it

1746
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:47,150
must be in a parallel reality because

1747
01:10:51,870 --> 01:10:49,730
I'll tell you what they described did

1748
01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:51,880
not conform to any possible

1749
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:55,430
misidentified mundane event and an

1750
01:11:00,730 --> 01:10:59,360
object so lots of cases so well your

1751
01:11:02,710 --> 01:11:00,740
book is filled with them that's why you

1752
01:11:06,490 --> 01:11:02,720
you collected these particular cases

1753
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:06,500
because they are so incredible that it

1754
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:07,910
would be very very difficult to just

1755
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:09,890
explain them away now you mentioned the

1756
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:12,770
belgian case in the belgian triangles in

1757
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:13,860
the in the aid

1758
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:18,000
we recently had a a hoaxer come forward

1759
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:19,530
and say that he hoaxed one of the most

1760
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:21,630
famous of the triangle shots the

1761
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:23,550
question is from wicker man who's been a

1762
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,010
longtime poster and is now a new

1763
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:28,590
moderator for the para cast and he asked

1764
01:11:32,419 --> 01:11:30,510
what's your take on the belgian triangle

1765
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:32,429
case now that a photograph related to it

1766
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:34,110
has turned out to be a fake and then he

1767
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:36,570
has a follow-up on Rendlesham okay yeah

1768
01:11:41,569 --> 01:11:39,150
I mean III was very dismayed of course

1769
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,579
when this guy came forward because as

1770
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:42,900
you mentioned that is one of the most

1771
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:45,150
famous USO pictures it's been studied in

1772
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:47,730
laboratories I think there is still some

1773
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,409
question and you know they did develop

1774
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:51,540
and investigators are looking into this

1775
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:53,489
and we don't have a lot of answers on it

1776
01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:55,739
yet but there's still a possibility that

1777
01:12:00,339 --> 01:11:57,750
maybe it wasn't hoped but let's assume

1778
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:00,349
that it was it's just a very

1779
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:02,670
discouraging and very sad development

1780
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:05,250
nonetheless that does not in any way

1781
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:08,520
affect the power of the case and all the

1782
01:12:11,569 --> 01:12:10,050
other sightings that were reported and

1783
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:11,579
all the data that we have on these on

1784
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:13,530
the Belgian ways I mean that photograph

1785
01:12:18,049 --> 01:12:16,050
was one particular incident which if you

1786
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,059
want to look at it as a hoax is now

1787
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:20,159
explained away it's no longer part of

1788
01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:22,110
the record but we have all the other

1789
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:24,270
parts of the record that are unaffected

1790
01:12:27,799 --> 01:12:25,710
by the fact that that photograph was a

1791
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:27,809
hoax so you know you got to be careful

1792
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:30,449
to just separate that out and the amount

1793
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:32,070
of data that we have that general

1794
01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:34,020
wilfred de Brouwer presents in my book

1795
01:12:38,629 --> 01:12:36,750
on that Belgian wave is just phenomenal

1796
01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:38,639
it's unfortunate we've lost that the

1797
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,980
photograph but as I said there's lots of

1798
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:42,480
other information that hasn't affected

1799
01:12:46,339 --> 01:12:44,670
by the fact that that photograph is now

1800
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:46,349
suspect to me it's one of the most

1801
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:49,770
fascinating most powerful cases we on

1802
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:51,570
record just because of the fact that it

1803
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:53,250
was a wave that because of the fact that

1804
01:12:56,839 --> 01:12:55,320
the objects kept returning and that the

1805
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:56,849
government of Belgium was so involved

1806
01:13:01,520 --> 01:12:59,520
with it was in the investigations very

1807
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:01,530
much in contrast to how the United

1808
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:03,449
States would handle something like that

1809
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:04,739
like they did in the Hudson Valley way

1810
01:13:09,109 --> 01:13:06,840
that it's similar time period so there's

1811
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,119
just a rien and reams of data that have

1812
01:13:12,109 --> 01:13:10,800
been collected on these objects that

1813
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:12,119
were seen over Belgium and I've been

1814
01:13:15,589 --> 01:13:13,590
over there and I've talked to the police

1815
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:15,599
officers and lots of the people involved

1816
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,219
were witnesses to this case and I've

1817
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:20,400
seen these a notebook of data that the

1818
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:22,170
scientists collected during the time

1819
01:13:26,299 --> 01:13:23,880
that the wave was going on has talked at

1820
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:26,309
length with general de Brouwer so I mean

1821
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:27,030
I have absolute

1822
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,070
no doubt about the standing of this case

1823
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:31,520
it's just a very unfortunate situation

1824
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:33,570
about the photograph because I

1825
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:35,820
absolutely always loved that photograph

1826
01:13:40,609 --> 01:13:38,730
just mysterious to me how something can

1827
01:13:42,589 --> 01:13:40,619
be analyzed in a laboratory as many

1828
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:42,599
times as that was and just have been

1829
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:45,239
styrofoam I think that you know we still

1830
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,590
need to learn a lot more about what

1831
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,360
actually happened when they constructed

1832
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,400
that thing and it's just kind of

1833
01:13:54,529 --> 01:13:52,380
mind-blowing to me but we don't have the

1834
01:13:55,879 --> 01:13:54,539
answers to it yet completely so I'm

1835
01:13:57,490 --> 01:13:55,889
waiting to hear more from the Belgian

1836
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,500
people that are working on it okay

1837
01:14:02,750 --> 01:13:59,820
here's here's one concerning the

1838
01:14:05,229 --> 01:14:02,760
Rendlesham case and Wickerman asked does

1839
01:14:08,029 --> 01:14:05,239
Jim peniston's ever-evolving story

1840
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:08,039
change your opinions about Rendlesham or

1841
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:11,219
even about your opinion of Penniston I'm

1842
01:14:14,089 --> 01:14:12,210
sure they're talking about the

1843
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:14,099
numerology the numbers that he

1844
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,960
downloaded into his brain that whole

1845
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:18,719
thing there's a bunch of things that

1846
01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:20,219
have been added to the to the whole

1847
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:22,020
thing revelations that have come out as

1848
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:25,170
the story gets more and more details do

1849
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:28,199
it yeah I mean I have to say that since

1850
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:30,690
the m by nuri code thing that's what it

1851
01:14:34,819 --> 01:14:32,610
was I really haven't I haven't followed

1852
01:14:37,069 --> 01:14:34,829
anything that happened after that but

1853
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:37,079
you know I I don't know what to make of

1854
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:40,770
it except that it's far out enough that

1855
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:42,420
it's not something for instance if I was

1856
01:14:46,729 --> 01:14:44,520
writing the book today and I was had

1857
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,739
Jennison in it as a witness I would not

1858
01:14:52,819 --> 01:14:49,440
include any of that material because

1859
01:14:54,859 --> 01:14:52,829
it's just it's not something that can

1860
01:14:58,339 --> 01:14:54,869
really be relied on in terms of heavy

1861
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:58,349
proof and so you know I mean I I don't

1862
01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:59,699
know what to make of it I'm not going to

1863
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:02,010
say it's not true or not true I'm just

1864
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:03,329
going to say that within the realm of

1865
01:15:08,290 --> 01:15:05,010
the kind of data that I work with that

1866
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:08,300
kind of material is not gonna work and

1867
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:10,710
I'm not in a position to comment on Jim

1868
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:12,570
Penniston as a person I mean I know him

1869
01:15:17,029 --> 01:15:14,280
and I respect him and I also know that

1870
01:15:19,459 --> 01:15:17,039
he was very affected by what happened to

1871
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:19,469
him and has many lasting effects as a

1872
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:24,210
result of that is and you know his so

1873
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that's about as far as I can go I

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certainly respect and you know his

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initial account of what happened which

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he beautifully wrote about in the book

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from his you know his own experience of

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what it was like when he saw that thing

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sitting on the ground and touched it and

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everything

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okay okay we have Leslie cane you're

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across centuries to him then a

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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[Music]

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01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:19,110
we have Leslie cane with Gina and Chris

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01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:20,910
in the power cast answering your

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01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:21,630
questions

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01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:23,580
but there's one I'm going to ask right

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01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:25,140
now which kind of follows from the

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01:20:27,980 --> 01:20:26,400
previous question in the previous

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01:20:30,380 --> 01:20:27,990
segment of the show Leslie and that is

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01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,390
have you found that any of the

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01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,280
information that you included in the

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01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:35,280
book maybe you regret that decision now

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01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:37,260
because of new developments anything at

2000
01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:40,050
all no I don't play the only thing

2001
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:41,880
that's come up is this pity Russia and

2002
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:44,010
of the Belgian triangle photograph you

2003
01:20:48,380 --> 01:20:45,480
know that's come up since the book came

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01:20:50,420 --> 01:20:48,390
out don't think there's anything else I

2005
01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:50,430
mean there were a few small errors that

2006
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:52,230
were corrected for the paperback you

2007
01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:55,890
know just things like an aircraft being

2008
01:20:59,630 --> 01:20:57,510
referred to by the wrong number or

2009
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:59,640
something like that but nothing in terms

2010
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:01,560
of the actual data that I can think of

2011
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:03,630
that's been questioned or that's been

2012
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:05,070
you know that I have any regrets about

2013
01:21:09,170 --> 01:21:07,170
no and what about the books or

2014
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:09,180
conclusions to the presentation would

2015
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:11,310
you make any changes today if you were

2016
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:13,560
doing that book all over again good

2017
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:16,380
question I you know I think I might be a

2018
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:19,710
little more a little more sense that the

2019
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:22,050
difficulty of changing government policy

2020
01:21:26,770 --> 01:21:24,990
although I still hold that vision as

2021
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:26,780
strongly as I did when I wrote the book

2022
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:29,340
but I've sort of been out in the field a

2023
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:31,830
little bit more since then and you know

2024
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:32,940
have a different a little bit of a

2025
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:34,920
different perspective on what's involved

2026
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:36,570
in doing that that I did when I wrote

2027
01:21:40,940 --> 01:21:39,210
the book that's really the only aspect

2028
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:40,950
of it I think that I've kind of learned

2029
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:43,290
more about since the book was written

2030
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:45,780
that's really going to be a more of

2031
01:21:49,460 --> 01:21:47,430
struggle than I might have thought but

2032
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:49,470
nonetheless I still hold the vision as

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01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:51,090
being the ultimate goal that I have in

2034
01:21:56,180 --> 01:21:53,250
the book which is we have a small agency

2035
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,190
set up somewhere or a small office

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01:22:00,500 --> 01:21:58,080
somewhere within government to manage

2037
01:22:02,090 --> 01:22:00,510
the subject and I you know that's a

2038
01:22:04,730 --> 01:22:02,100
long-term goal I think that's realistic

2039
01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:04,740
but it's going to take a lot maybe a lot

2040
01:22:08,210 --> 01:22:06,780
more effort than I might have imagined

2041
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:08,220
at the time but you know it's still

2042
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:09,780
pretty much the same though the same

2043
01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:11,940
vision the same ideal that I had at the

2044
01:22:15,620 --> 01:22:13,710
time when I wrote it we have a lot of

2045
01:22:17,780 --> 01:22:15,630
questions I'm going to go ahead and run

2046
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:17,790
through some of them sure this one comes

2047
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:20,460
from a longtime poster fascist cardan

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01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:23,490
who's been a poster since July 2009 and

2049
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:26,340
he asked series about four different

2050
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:27,960
questions I'll throw the first one out

2051
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:30,210
here do you really feel that by applying

2052
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,250
pressure for UFO investigation on the

2053
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:34,440
political segments of society you're

2054
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:35,810
following the right course of action

2055
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:38,040
wouldn't it be more important to for

2056
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:39,900
instance divulge these good sightings

2057
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:41,880
and data in universities and colleges

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01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:43,560
places where future and present

2059
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:46,020
scientists and thinkers work yeah well I

2060
01:22:49,310 --> 01:22:47,910
think I think both are important and I'm

2061
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,320
kind of trying to do both simultaneously

2062
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:51,060
I think we need to hit up the political

2063
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,710
establishment and the scientific

2064
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:54,840
establishment ideally if we can bring

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them together in some way because they

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01:23:02,300 --> 01:22:58,860
do intersect in that in order for

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01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:02,310
scientists to get grants and to get to

2068
01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:03,719
have the subject has a kind of

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01:23:06,860 --> 01:23:05,460
credibility that it needs for them to

2070
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:06,870
take it on you know the government is

2071
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:08,370
gonna have to change its position on the

2072
01:23:12,620 --> 01:23:10,410
subject matter so the two were very

2073
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:12,630
closely linked but yes I definitely

2074
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,850
think that direct outreach needs to be

2075
01:23:19,670 --> 01:23:17,280
made to scientists as well as to

2076
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:19,680
government officials and I'm doing that

2077
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,330
to the extent that I can do it and but I

2078
01:23:26,540 --> 01:23:24,480
encourage everyone to do it well how

2079
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:26,550
about military personnel they're usually

2080
01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:29,219
regarded as top drawer witnesses but

2081
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,900
have you ever felt that some of them may

2082
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,880
be answering to interests that go beyond

2083
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,280
the simple sincere truth and he gives

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01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,960
the the illustration of

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01:23:40,190 --> 01:23:38,400
counterintelligence and disinformation

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01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:40,200
are the building blocks of the

2087
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:42,450
intelligence community and sometimes it

2088
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:43,410
seems that some of the military

2089
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:45,570
witnesses have ulterior motives behind

2090
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:49,110
their stories yeah I mean I didn't I

2091
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:50,460
don't personally feel that that's the

2092
01:23:53,959 --> 01:23:51,960
case with the witnesses that I worked

2093
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:53,969
with and putting together this book you

2094
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:55,140
know I suppose there's always the

2095
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:56,640
possibility that I've been deceived by

2096
01:24:01,520 --> 01:23:58,770
them but I sincerely doubt that that's

2097
01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:01,530
the case it doesn't mean that that never

2098
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:02,190
happens

2099
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,770
but I think the case is in the book that

2100
01:24:07,670 --> 01:24:06,719
I and I know many of the witnesses very

2101
01:24:09,020 --> 01:24:07,680
well I think they're quite

2102
01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:09,030
straightforward there are other

2103
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,160
witnesses have corroborated what the one

2104
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:13,920
person has said the case is well known

2105
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:17,310
it's well documented so I don't I really

2106
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:18,480
don't have the sense that there's any

2107
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:20,580
kind of ulterior motive in in these

2108
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:23,460
particular cases which isn't to say that

2109
01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:26,190
that never happens but not within my

2110
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,830
experience well that kind of leads to

2111
01:24:33,170 --> 01:24:31,440
the next question which is as a

2112
01:24:35,060 --> 01:24:33,180
journalist how do you deal with your

2113
01:24:37,070 --> 01:24:35,070
colleagues work regarding the UFO

2114
01:24:39,020 --> 01:24:37,080
phenomena have you ever found yourself

2115
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:39,030
in a position where you felt compelled

2116
01:24:42,580 --> 01:24:40,770
to criticize the lack of rigour and

2117
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:42,590
objectivity of other

2118
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:45,530
less work well the sad thing is they

2119
01:24:49,660 --> 01:24:47,450
really aren't many other journalists

2120
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:49,670
working on this I mean you know you have

2121
01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:51,770
a story occasionally by a journalist but

2122
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:54,260
I don't know of any other journalists

2123
01:25:00,190 --> 01:24:58,130
that are really focused on it it depends

2124
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:00,200
I guess how you identify the word

2125
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:05,740
journalist but certainly you know I

2126
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:08,690
don't like it when I see reports made

2127
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:11,270
that are not rigorous I mean I don't

2128
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,310
think that that's you know but I'm not

2129
01:25:17,860 --> 01:25:14,960
I'm not sort of out there criticizing

2130
01:25:22,510 --> 01:25:17,870
other people I try to not do that

2131
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:22,520
actually so well are you seeing less of

2132
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:24,650
the giggle factor at the end of let's

2133
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:27,850
say regional television broadcasts

2134
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,270
obviously there is a kind of a toxicity

2135
01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:34,400
around the subject or there has been for

2136
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:37,340
many years are you seeing a change in

2137
01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:39,260
mainstream journalistic attitudes

2138
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:41,750
towards the subject well I don't know

2139
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:43,280
it's a good question I mean I certainly

2140
01:25:46,570 --> 01:25:44,570
in the interviews that I've done with

2141
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:46,580
the mainstream that deagol factors have

2142
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:48,830
not been there I mean absolutely not you

2143
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:51,170
know the Fox News stuff and I did three

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01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:53,870
or four shows on Fox and MSNBC I did a

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01:25:59,800 --> 01:25:56,890
show with that just hasn't been there

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01:26:01,660 --> 01:25:59,810
you know and I think a lot of what you

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01:26:05,980 --> 01:26:01,670
see often is when you see television

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01:26:07,540 --> 01:26:05,990
news cover a UFO story the anchors are

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01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:07,550
the ones that do the clipping you know

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they make these stupid comments when

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they're going in and out of the story

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that little green man or they joke with

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each other or something like that that

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seems to be quite common and then they

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then they go ahead and they cover the

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01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:20,870
story so isn't that part of the way that

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:24,290
anchors are trained though that you have

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the serious news but then you have the

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happy talk news and you have to sound

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like you're having a great time isn't it

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fun after we just reported a serious

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traffic accident or some kind of weather

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01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:38,960
disaster so now we're going to laugh

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01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:42,100
about something here's the UFO subject

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exactly exactly how they play it you're

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right and then they might cover some

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local sighting or something like that

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and they might cover yeah exactly

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01:26:55,810 --> 01:26:53,810
my point the anchors like to surround it

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01:26:57,460 --> 01:26:55,820
with sort of little jokes and stuff I

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don't think that has changed all that

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01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,780
much you know but I just know that when

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when my when I'm interviewed and I'm

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talking about my book I really haven't

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01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,800
sensed that kind of attitude going on

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among the people I've been dealing with

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in the media which of course makes me

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very happy but and I think the media is

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01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:16,130
certainly very kind of interested in

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01:27:19,570 --> 01:27:17,810
opening the subject certainly different

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than ten years ago when I started out on

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this I mean there's no comparison so

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that of course is positive but you still

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have this problem of you know the giggle

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01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:30,260
factor within the media without a doubt

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01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:32,630
now here's another question I'll throw

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in before Kris continues with the ones

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from our listeners and that is you find

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more and more of these days and it's

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been true for a long time but I think

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more frequently now when they have

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so-called UFO conferences events where

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they have loads and loads of really

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serious researchers and they throw in a

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few of the whoooo crowd to get in there

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to bring people to attract an audience

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doesn't that denigrate from the serious

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nature of the presentations I absolutely

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agree with you I mean I have such an

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issue with conferences for that reason

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and you know I was I spoke last year at

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the International UFO Congress I think I

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saw you there gene actually in Phoenix

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and this of course was a big issue and

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they've talked to the organizers you

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know it's like how do you that the

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problem that they have is if they don't

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have some of these sort of woowoo types

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and they also have this room that all

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these crazy you know stuff going on

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selling people selling you know alien

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sculptures and all this wild stuff that

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goes on and they're in there I forget

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they have a nickname for that room but

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you know I've been doing some vendor

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remember room yeah you know and I said

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so many discussions with these people

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about the problem is that they can't

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afford to put on the conference if they

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don't have a certain amount of that

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because that's so much of what brings

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people in and sells tickets and so

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they're sort of stuck with this dilemma

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I mean unless you have somebody willing

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to fund conferences that are going to

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all be an you know a hundred percent

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serious people

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if you're gonna do that you have to have

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some source of funding because otherwise

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you're not going to get enough people to

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make it work that's the problem so

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they're sort of stuck with having to to

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include a certain percentage of that

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just to make the conference happen at

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all

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well MUFON apparently is going into that

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now MUFON is adding some of the wool

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crowd but maybe the other situation on

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the other problem in UFO research is

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gene and Chris I raise the issue of the

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company like Apple that knows how to

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sell their gear and they can do it in an

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other companies do so the question here

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is can we do market research can we

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bring in marketing people to UFO

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research to explain how we get the

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message across without the presence of

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the crackpot fringe woo element sounds

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like a good idea Jean no that's not my

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job I don't know anything about that it

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always boils down to somebody to fund

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these kinds of things you know where's

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Lawrence when you really need him he was

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like one of the true the true pioneers

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and the the billionaire club set that

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was willing to pony up some money of

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course he funded the Peter Sturrock

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symposium the only top-notch scientists

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basically were involved in and it is a

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problem yeah we do and going to move

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funds 2011 symposium you're a number of

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weeks back I was a little dismayed at

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not only some of the vendors but as we

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have discussed which surprised me

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actually but the whole idea and the

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theme behind the conference

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having a person like Jim sparks who of

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course tells a very interesting story

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and has an interesting claim of contact

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but to have that as part of a scientific

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organization with a mandate to

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scientifically investigate this this

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puzzling phenomena

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I I just found it pandering to as you

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were saying before Leslie the the

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rank-and-file people out there that are

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attracted by the the bells and whistles

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and the glitz and the pop-culture

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view of all the these these events and

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subjects in I developed a rash I

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couldn't find where to scratch it I

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didn't have any calamine lotion it just

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it just made me

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very uncomfortable and unfortunately

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this seems to be the direction that

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conferences are going in other than

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getting someone to to bankroll or fund a

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serious type of examination open to the

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public I mean what other recourse do we

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have do we have to to be schizophrenic

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about it and appeal to the woo crowd

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just to pay the bills or can we

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successfully do scientific research in

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this in this subject in a serious way

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and you know factor out all that you

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know the the plastic alien toys and the

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the alien lighters in the the alien

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masks and and the whole crystal you know

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the healer crowd I mean is there any way

2408
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,990
that we can separate these two we could

2409
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:16,400
more and more because that's certainly

2410
01:37:21,490 --> 01:37:18,410
my my goal in the way I approach this

2411
01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:21,500
subject it's completely separated and

2412
01:37:25,150 --> 01:37:23,480
you know III have an issue with the

2413
01:37:26,890 --> 01:37:25,160
conferences for that very reason I also

2414
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:26,900
understand the dilemma that they're in

2415
01:37:32,230 --> 01:37:29,600
because if they if they can't get people

2416
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:32,240
to attend then the conference is a

2417
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,490
failure it doesn't happen I don't know

2418
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:36,800
how to answer that problem I mean I just

2419
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:38,810
don't know how to how to what to do

2420
01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:41,210
about it but I can't stand all that

2421
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:42,860
stuff that you're talking about I mean I

2422
01:37:48,670 --> 01:37:46,310
it just to me is so irrelevant and so

2423
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:48,680
negative in terms of the subject matter

2424
01:37:52,630 --> 01:37:50,030
and what we're trying to do to bring

2425
01:37:54,220 --> 01:37:52,640
credibility to it that it's exactly you

2426
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:54,230
know thanks to get a rash just like you

2427
01:37:58,150 --> 01:37:55,970
said what can't you have just pop

2428
01:38:00,220 --> 01:37:58,160
culture there anyway with ET and

2429
01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:00,230
everything but keep the lectures the

2430
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:02,720
presentations serious so you kind of I

2431
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,130
think that's pretty much what they tried

2432
01:38:08,140 --> 01:38:06,320
to do at the International UFO Congress

2433
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:08,150
although I don't know if there was some

2434
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:09,440
there were some pretty I think there

2435
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:11,210
were some sort of far-out lecturers and

2436
01:38:14,980 --> 01:38:13,040
you know these are the lecturers that

2437
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:14,990
are the more far-out or the one sort of

2438
01:38:21,550 --> 01:38:19,490
offering I mean the whole UFO circuit

2439
01:38:23,740 --> 01:38:21,560
conference circuit thing appeals to a

2440
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:23,750
certain crowd and what we need are

2441
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:25,880
conferences that are just are speaking

2442
01:38:28,930 --> 01:38:27,890
to a whole different crowd I mean if

2443
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:28,940
we're talking about a scientific

2444
01:38:33,130 --> 01:38:30,770
conference you know you have to imagine

2445
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:33,140
it not including the audience that would

2446
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:34,610
go to these other conferences but we

2447
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:36,890
need we need to reach people outside of

2448
01:38:39,790 --> 01:38:38,690
that world anyway I mean the people who

2449
01:38:41,919 --> 01:38:39,800
go to these conferences are the

2450
01:38:44,050 --> 01:38:41,929
converted your preaching is can

2451
01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:44,060
anyway you know everybody just goes

2452
01:38:47,709 --> 01:38:45,350
there and has a good time and they're

2453
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:47,719
all you know believers if you want to

2454
01:38:51,250 --> 01:38:49,880
use that word anyway but you know the

2455
01:38:53,110 --> 01:38:51,260
conference's that are important are the

2456
01:38:55,630 --> 01:38:53,120
ones that can reach beyond that to

2457
01:38:58,030 --> 01:38:55,640
people you know that wouldn't normally

2458
01:38:59,410 --> 01:38:58,040
be involved with the subject and really

2459
01:39:02,229 --> 01:38:59,420
try to elevate it to a scientific

2460
01:39:03,729 --> 01:39:02,239
platform but in order to that of course

2461
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:03,739
you've got to have the scientists and

2462
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:05,060
you've got to have the funds to do the

2463
01:39:08,620 --> 01:39:06,710
conference and all the things that it

2464
01:39:11,740 --> 01:39:08,630
takes to make something like that happen

2465
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:11,750
but we do have popular scientists who

2466
01:39:18,399 --> 01:39:15,020
come on the air like a Michio Kaku who

2467
01:39:20,830 --> 01:39:18,409
could present advanced physics and it's

2468
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,840
entertaining and maybe we need to

2469
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,360
develop that kind of talent there and I

2470
01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:25,280
still think that with proper marketing

2471
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:26,600
we could sell the message because it's

2472
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,449
incredibly compelling message here we

2473
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:31,760
have strange things going on there we

2474
01:39:36,130 --> 01:39:34,310
have all of these strange craft they're

2475
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:36,140
seen on radar they're photographed the

2476
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:38,510
leaf traces this is the most incredible

2477
01:39:42,220 --> 01:39:39,770
mystery of our times

2478
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:42,230
and if we sell the message and speaking

2479
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,520
of getting millionaires we have all

2480
01:39:47,860 --> 01:39:45,920
these very rich people out there giving

2481
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:47,870
away money we have Bill Gates

2482
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:50,330
we had Warren Buffett imagine if they

2483
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:53,210
each give a billion dollars towards UFO

2484
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:55,040
research has anyone tried to approach

2485
01:39:59,140 --> 01:39:57,920
them not that I'm aware of no I mean I I

2486
01:40:02,110 --> 01:39:59,150
you know I have to get more serious

2487
01:40:03,340 --> 01:40:02,120
myself about fund raising so I've been

2488
01:40:04,780 --> 01:40:03,350
preoccupied with other things this

2489
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,790
summer but that's there something on my

2490
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:07,040
agenda for the future is to see what can

2491
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:09,770
be done in that realm we'll see what

2492
01:40:13,570 --> 01:40:11,570
happens but that's the kind of thing

2493
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:13,580
that has to happen if we really want to

2494
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:15,110
take this to another level I mean we

2495
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:17,150
need the government shifting government

2496
01:40:21,610 --> 01:40:19,610
attitude shifting government policy we

2497
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,620
need a scientific reorientation towards

2498
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:24,080
this and we need sources of funds that's

2499
01:40:29,709 --> 01:40:27,590
that's it I agree well let's ask another

2500
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:29,719
couple of questions here this one comes

2501
01:40:35,770 --> 01:40:33,770
from a fairly new foreign poster at the

2502
01:40:38,290 --> 01:40:35,780
Forum dr. Perik asked calm his name is

2503
01:40:41,229 --> 01:40:38,300
century I'm assuming it's a he

2504
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:41,239
major Donald Keough shaped the UFO scene

2505
01:40:45,610 --> 01:40:43,250
by introducing the concept that the

2506
01:40:47,740 --> 01:40:45,620
military is concealing information from

2507
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,750
us on flying saucers putting the

2508
01:40:52,060 --> 01:40:49,520
military in a very defensive position

2509
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:52,070
with its efforts at maintaining military

2510
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:54,780
secrecy how much of an extra problem

2511
01:40:59,209 --> 01:40:56,690
has the government caused over the years

2512
01:41:00,979 --> 01:40:59,219
it's kind of a strange question but I

2513
01:41:01,580 --> 01:41:00,989
think I understand where he's coming

2514
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:01,590
from

2515
01:41:05,839 --> 01:41:03,570
what do you mean extra problem you mean

2516
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:05,849
because of he's saying that because of

2517
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,210
something the military is doing on their

2518
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:11,119
own in other words the military may be

2519
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:14,010
the you know responsible for a great

2520
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:16,770
deal of the secrecy and and this is

2521
01:41:21,589 --> 01:41:18,570
causing the government a problem when it

2522
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,599
comes to addressing some sort of

2523
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:24,480
disclosure type information or revealing

2524
01:41:27,410 --> 01:41:26,070
with the full extent of what the

2525
01:41:28,669 --> 01:41:27,420
government knows maybe it's not the

2526
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:28,679
government maybe it's actually the

2527
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,639
military yeah I mean that's I think that

2528
01:41:35,779 --> 01:41:34,320
certainly the military you know and he

2529
01:41:38,419 --> 01:41:35,789
would need events happen we certainly

2530
01:41:40,220 --> 01:41:38,429
notice from the cases in the 60s late

2531
01:41:43,279 --> 01:41:40,230
sixties where these are the you know the

2532
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:43,289
nuclear missiles were effected the silos

2533
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:44,730
were shut down and things like this I

2534
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,250
mean the government military response to

2535
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:49,199
any kind of national security event it's

2536
01:41:52,970 --> 01:41:50,610
going to be to want to keep it quiet

2537
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:52,980
whether it be a UFO event or something

2538
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:55,860
else they have lots of reasons to you

2539
01:42:01,209 --> 01:41:58,860
know be very cautious about publicizing

2540
01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:01,219
anything that's in any way threatening

2541
01:42:06,290 --> 01:42:03,900
I'm sure there's all kind of information

2542
01:42:09,260 --> 01:42:06,300
that the military has withheld about

2543
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:09,270
events involving UFOs I wouldn't call

2544
01:42:12,770 --> 01:42:11,190
offense that there there would be that

2545
01:42:14,569 --> 01:42:12,780
kind of withholding of information and

2546
01:42:15,979 --> 01:42:14,579
of course people have tried or the years

2547
01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:15,989
through the Freedom of Information Act

2548
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,699
and other ways to try to get some of

2549
01:42:21,529 --> 01:42:19,440
that information but we have no idea to

2550
01:42:25,129 --> 01:42:21,539
what extent a lot of that is locked up

2551
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:25,139
someplace and I'm assuming that there is

2552
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,449
more information than we've been made

2553
01:42:32,299 --> 01:42:30,239
aware of and I can assume that well

2554
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:32,309
here's a follow up question from sentry

2555
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,530
do you believe that the clinton claims

2556
01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:36,780
that the military has exploited the UFO

2557
01:42:39,979 --> 01:42:38,369
myth as a cover story from secret

2558
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:39,989
projects a bit of a softball question

2559
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:42,780
there for you yeah I mean I think that

2560
01:42:47,029 --> 01:42:44,489
has happened I mean I can't think of the

2561
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,039
specific cases but um you know where

2562
01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:49,260
they like to the that's very convenient

2563
01:42:52,490 --> 01:42:50,760
for the military if they're testing some

2564
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,500
kind of secret technology and somebody

2565
01:42:58,279 --> 01:42:55,199
says it's a UFO that's kind of a

2566
01:42:59,540 --> 01:42:58,289
convenient way for them to hide whatever

2567
01:43:02,479 --> 01:42:59,550
it is that they're doing that would make

2568
01:43:04,609 --> 01:43:02,489
sense to me I'd follow those leave that

2569
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:04,619
that's a deliberate effort in some cases

2570
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:07,750
that you want people to think it's a UFO

2571
01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:09,370
maybe so if you don't want them to know

2572
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:11,740
what you're doing sure no you know I

2573
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:13,810
mean it's just convenient if you're

2574
01:43:18,180 --> 01:43:15,460
testing something that you you know it's

2575
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:18,190
still a secret it's but all us always is

2576
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:20,110
something I identify unidentified anyway

2577
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:21,520
so I don't know how much of a cover it

2578
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:23,230
is but yeah the people can start

2579
01:43:26,970 --> 01:43:25,600
carrying on about oh I saw a UFO it kind

2580
01:43:30,030 --> 01:43:26,980
of lets them off the hook in terms of

2581
01:43:33,810 --> 01:43:30,040
having to explain what you know it's

2582
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:33,820
just a convenient convenient hi I think

2583
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:35,290
it goes deeper than that Leslie I think

2584
01:43:40,140 --> 01:43:38,050
what they want to do is is ascertain the

2585
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:40,150
psychological impact of certain secret

2586
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:42,490
aerial technologies to see how many

2587
01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:44,890
people actually report it to their

2588
01:43:48,990 --> 01:43:46,780
Sheriff to see if that that report is

2589
01:43:51,420 --> 01:43:49,000
picked up by the local media and whether

2590
01:43:53,850 --> 01:43:51,430
a wave of these types of misidentified

2591
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:53,860
sightings are picked up by the national

2592
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,570
media I think that there's there's a

2593
01:44:00,960 --> 01:43:58,480
some sort of psychological gauging

2594
01:44:03,380 --> 01:44:00,970
program going on inside the military

2595
01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:03,390
industrial complex to to ascertain the

2596
01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:06,820
psychological effectiveness of just

2597
01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:08,950
trotting something out without actually

2598
01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:11,200
having it you know tossed bombs around

2599
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:13,470
or fire missiles I personally have seen

2600
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:15,850
conventional craft lit up like Christmas

2601
01:44:20,670 --> 01:44:18,730
trees in the San Luis Valley and if I

2602
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:20,680
hadn't been five miles away if I'd been

2603
01:44:26,460 --> 01:44:22,360
even ten miles away it would have looked

2604
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:26,470
like a huge 300 foot plus sized UFO

2605
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:29,050
flying night very low altitude over the

2606
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:31,090
valley floor so I'll tell you what yes

2607
01:44:35,490 --> 01:44:32,890
we have to do the break we have a guru

2608
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:35,500
so Brian's a co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

2609
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:37,960
our guest is Leslie cane you're in the

2610
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2632
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2633
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2634
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2635
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2636
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

2640
01:45:59,640 --> 01:45:55,360
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2641
01:46:03,190 --> 01:45:59,650
here's James Steinberg

2642
01:46:06,850 --> 01:46:03,200
we're back with gene and Kris talking to

2643
01:46:09,670 --> 01:46:06,860
Leslie Kane we're honoring the paperback

2644
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:09,680
release of UFOs generals pilots and

2645
01:46:13,660 --> 01:46:12,020
government officials go on the record so

2646
01:46:15,940 --> 01:46:13,670
if you couldn't afford the hardcover

2647
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:15,950
version it's in paperback it's an eBook

2648
01:46:20,140 --> 01:46:18,110
version there's that special on the

2649
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:20,150
History Channel just called history or

2650
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:24,140
history HD secret access UFOs on the

2651
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:27,460
record to our special premiering August

2652
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:30,650
25th at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time and like

2653
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:34,010
other cable TV presentations in the USA

2654
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:38,810
it will be obviously repeated Leslie is

2655
01:46:44,050 --> 01:46:41,810
there any plan to take that overseas um

2656
01:46:47,260 --> 01:46:44,060
I guess I I think the History Channel

2657
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:47,270
does broadcast overseas I certainly I've

2658
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:49,310
talking to someone in Ireland the other

2659
01:46:52,660 --> 01:46:51,110
day who they broadcast over there I

2660
01:46:54,430 --> 01:46:52,670
don't think that the necessarily the

2661
01:46:56,650 --> 01:46:54,440
premiere date will be the same but I

2662
01:46:58,990 --> 01:46:56,660
think the European countries all get the

2663
01:47:02,110 --> 01:46:59,000
History Channel so it's and a lot of the

2664
01:47:03,490 --> 01:47:02,120
footage we shot was was in Europe so I'm

2665
01:47:05,380 --> 01:47:03,500
hoping that the people over there will

2666
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:05,390
get to see it but I think it I think

2667
01:47:08,890 --> 01:47:06,890
that will happen eventually it'll be out

2668
01:47:09,850 --> 01:47:08,900
in the DVD as well but that I don't know

2669
01:47:12,220 --> 01:47:09,860
how long that will take

2670
01:47:13,630 --> 01:47:12,230
so it's really it depends on entirely

2671
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:13,640
what the History Channel does with it

2672
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:15,890
another question Chris kind of brought

2673
01:47:20,530 --> 01:47:17,630
up before we did our break about

2674
01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:20,540
government disinformation maybe making

2675
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:24,380
things seem to be UFO related events to

2676
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:26,510
basically shield what's really going on

2677
01:47:30,460 --> 01:47:28,490
which is secret weapons testing so I

2678
01:47:33,310 --> 01:47:30,470
guess a larger question is do you think

2679
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:33,320
that substantial portion of compelling

2680
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,690
UFO cases are really secret weapons I

2681
01:47:39,930 --> 01:47:37,520
don't think that the cases you know

2682
01:47:43,090 --> 01:47:39,940
again to sort of leading cases that I've

2683
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:43,100
outlined in my book anyway are I mean in

2684
01:47:46,780 --> 01:47:45,170
some of the situations the high level

2685
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:46,790
officials were able to make enquiries

2686
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:49,280
and find out through their sister

2687
01:47:53,620 --> 01:47:51,170
countries who would not withhold that

2688
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:53,630
information from them so I mean I'm as

2689
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,610
you know it's possible that maybe a

2690
01:47:59,560 --> 01:47:57,920
couple of cases or can still be

2691
01:48:01,180 --> 01:47:59,570
explained that way but the

2692
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:01,190
people involved in those cases have

2693
01:48:05,169 --> 01:48:03,130
reported such extraordinary

2694
01:48:07,209 --> 01:48:05,179
technological capabilities from the

2695
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:07,219
object that they've observed that they

2696
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:09,710
have stated that even you know that we

2697
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:11,810
just couldn't possibly have that kind of

2698
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,270
technology even if we were testing

2699
01:48:19,060 --> 01:48:16,000
advanced it's very sophisticated

2700
01:48:21,339 --> 01:48:19,070
weaponry or aircraft that were what was

2701
01:48:23,229 --> 01:48:21,349
under development it's just the kind of

2702
01:48:26,290 --> 01:48:23,239
technology that these things represent

2703
01:48:27,220 --> 01:48:26,300
just could not be within our capability

2704
01:48:29,229 --> 01:48:27,230
I mean that's what the military

2705
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:29,239
officials feel who have been involved

2706
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,010
with these things so I think it's

2707
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:33,199
extremely unlikely I mean certainly you

2708
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,290
know 95% of all UFO sightings can be

2709
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:38,239
explained and certainly many sightings

2710
01:48:42,939 --> 01:48:40,190
that people reports are explainable

2711
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:42,949
through technological advanced aircraft

2712
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:45,290
that's being tested or whatever things

2713
01:48:49,089 --> 01:48:47,090
from other countries that maybe are

2714
01:48:50,919 --> 01:48:49,099
flying around and yes there's many many

2715
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:50,929
many sightings that can be explained

2716
01:48:54,399 --> 01:48:52,610
that way but I don't think the very

2717
01:48:56,260 --> 01:48:54,409
thoroughly investigated ones that I

2718
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,270
feature in the book and other cases that

2719
01:48:59,800 --> 01:48:57,920
are out there as well can be explained

2720
01:49:02,169 --> 01:48:59,810
that way especially if you look back

2721
01:49:04,089 --> 01:49:02,179
decades at cases where we didn't have

2722
01:49:07,149 --> 01:49:04,099
nearly the level of a technology that we

2723
01:49:09,129 --> 01:49:07,159
have now you know I don't and what these

2724
01:49:11,770 --> 01:49:09,139
objects again what they demonstrate is

2725
01:49:13,839 --> 01:49:11,780
just so far from removed from anything

2726
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,849
that we are capable of it I tend to

2727
01:49:17,859 --> 01:49:16,159
dismiss that possibility for most of the

2728
01:49:20,260 --> 01:49:17,869
cases we have another couple of

2729
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:20,270
questions from our listeners and one of

2730
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,110
them has to do with the Phoenix lights

2731
01:49:28,990 --> 01:49:25,760
event and there's been a recent story

2732
01:49:31,930 --> 01:49:29,000
that is calling into question the

2733
01:49:34,990 --> 01:49:31,940
original object that supposedly came

2734
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,000
down from Henderson Nevada over the

2735
01:49:39,879 --> 01:49:36,800
western side of the Phoenix area and

2736
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:39,889
then down to Tucson where was it that it

2737
01:49:45,729 --> 01:49:42,170
then disappeared now one thing that I

2738
01:49:47,379 --> 01:49:45,739
want to note here before we ask the

2739
01:49:49,780 --> 01:49:47,389
question is that I did speak with a

2740
01:49:52,209 --> 01:49:49,790
scientist who used to work for a

2741
01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:52,219
aerospace company that had something to

2742
01:49:57,220 --> 01:49:53,900
do with our spy satellites at the ESPY

2743
01:49:59,649 --> 01:49:57,230
in particular and he told me that DSP

2744
01:50:01,689 --> 01:49:59,659
did pick up this original object that

2745
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:01,699
was seen 45 minutes before the actual

2746
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:04,250
flares the famous footage that everyone

2747
01:50:08,379 --> 01:50:06,650
is familiar with but the question is

2748
01:50:11,049 --> 01:50:08,389
many of dismissed at 10:00 p.m.

2749
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:11,059
sightings as flares the the second set

2750
01:50:15,870 --> 01:50:12,400
the lights

2751
01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:15,880
which is correct in his opinion but have

2752
01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:17,590
asserted that the earlier sightings at

2753
01:50:21,780 --> 01:50:19,780
8:00 to 8:30 of a supposedly a solid

2754
01:50:22,530 --> 01:50:21,790
v-shaped object remains something more

2755
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:22,540
mysterious

2756
01:50:27,210 --> 01:50:24,850
but despite witness claims to the

2757
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:27,220
contrary I believe the first part of

2758
01:50:30,750 --> 01:50:28,810
this video clearly shows that this

2759
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:30,760
earlier object was not a single object

2760
01:50:35,700 --> 01:50:33,730
that the lights do move independently of

2761
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:35,710
each other and are probably Jets flying

2762
01:50:41,220 --> 01:50:38,410
in formation have you heard anything

2763
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:41,230
about this particular footage in this

2764
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,330
claim no maybe we were dealing with some

2765
01:50:48,030 --> 01:50:46,000
sort of mundane formation of let's say

2766
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,040
Jets or some sort of conventional craft

2767
01:50:53,730 --> 01:50:50,800
well I mean I looked at that clip that

2768
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:53,740
was you know certainly the one that ends

2769
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:54,970
with the flare thing but there's a guy

2770
01:50:59,100 --> 01:50:56,530
named Kerry in the beginning that has

2771
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,110
this footage which he says was taken the

2772
01:51:02,850 --> 01:51:01,360
night that actual night of the Phoenix

2773
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:02,860
life that I have never seen that before

2774
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:08,070
I don't know where that came from but

2775
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:10,570
you know the witnesses that I have

2776
01:51:14,220 --> 01:51:12,370
talked to and and the hundreds and

2777
01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:14,230
hundreds of witnesses that called in to

2778
01:51:19,290 --> 01:51:16,270
Frances Barwood office I mean almost a

2779
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,300
thousand of them and people that were

2780
01:51:23,810 --> 01:51:22,000
concerned about this seem so convinced

2781
01:51:26,010 --> 01:51:23,820
that these were not planes in formation

2782
01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:26,020
first of all the thing was totally

2783
01:51:28,980 --> 01:51:26,710
silent

2784
01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:28,990
it was much lower you know the video

2785
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:30,190
clip that's on that that you're

2786
01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:30,850
referring to

2787
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:32,950
yes shows these lights moving around the

2788
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:36,010
thing looks very far away and it does

2789
01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:38,800
just look like singular lights but the

2790
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:40,510
reports that we have from hundreds of

2791
01:51:44,610 --> 01:51:42,850
witnesses are not a singular life

2792
01:51:47,190 --> 01:51:44,620
they're of an actual craft a

2793
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:47,200
delta-shaped craft that was very low and

2794
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:50,050
low enough and slow enough that there is

2795
01:51:53,580 --> 01:51:51,520
absolutely no way that they could

2796
01:51:55,590 --> 01:51:53,590
mistake it for planes in formation it's

2797
01:51:57,540 --> 01:51:55,600
just an impossibility and this is not

2798
01:52:00,750 --> 01:51:57,550
just isolated witness reports this is

2799
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:00,760
hundreds of reports plus again planes in

2800
01:52:05,850 --> 01:52:04,210
formation are noisy so you know there

2801
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:05,860
may have been playing information out

2802
01:52:11,250 --> 01:52:07,930
that evenings at the same time that

2803
01:52:13,620 --> 01:52:11,260
these craft were out but I'm convinced

2804
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:13,630
that you know I mean I I just do not

2805
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:15,810
think that every sighting of that

2806
01:52:18,450 --> 01:52:17,050
delta-shaped

2807
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:18,460
object that was reported that and I can

2808
01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:20,170
be explained as planes in formation and

2809
01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:21,460
I think if you talk to many of the

2810
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:23,020
witnesses and put that explanation

2811
01:52:28,140 --> 01:52:25,030
before then they would find it

2812
01:52:30,060 --> 01:52:28,150
to Chris and that includes of course

2813
01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:30,070
government governor Fife Symington who

2814
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:33,220
himself was a witness and he certainly

2815
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:35,170
is a hundred percent sure that these are

2816
01:52:38,970 --> 01:52:37,570
not planes in formation so it just isn't

2817
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:38,980
going to explain away what happened

2818
01:52:43,950 --> 01:52:41,170
between eighty eight and nine o'clock

2819
01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:43,960
hour that night it just does it's not

2820
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:46,450
going to happen were you aware the DSP

2821
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,250
actually picked up that object and

2822
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:50,560
tracked it the entire its entire flight

2823
01:52:55,770 --> 01:52:52,360
path no I would like to know more about

2824
01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:55,780
that actually okay I will put you in

2825
01:53:00,420 --> 01:52:56,920
touch with the person that gave me that

2826
01:53:03,630 --> 01:53:00,430
information I'm a little nervous to name

2827
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:03,640
him on the air yes but he's he's a

2828
01:53:07,110 --> 01:53:04,930
fairly well-known person in the field

2829
01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:07,120
and I will put you in touch with him

2830
01:53:12,090 --> 01:53:09,490
what are your favorite UFO cases I mean

2831
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:12,100
you've done a lot of digging and looking

2832
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:14,770
in and really dug into and and studied

2833
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:17,050
and investigated quite a number of very

2834
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:19,210
famous cases if you had one case well

2835
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,450
what would be your favorite one oh jeez

2836
01:53:27,450 --> 01:53:23,920
I don't think I could say I have one

2837
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:27,460
favorite I hate to say that but you know

2838
01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:28,980
I like the bells in a way this is

2839
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:31,900
something I find extremely compelling

2840
01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:34,480
rather than just say this is my favorite

2841
01:53:38,130 --> 01:53:36,340
case maybe summarize it now our

2842
01:53:40,590 --> 01:53:38,140
listeners have heard about this about

2843
01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:40,600
the building case I mean or some other

2844
01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:43,990
cases yeah let's have possibly a summary

2845
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:46,180
or two as we go into cases not just

2846
01:53:51,390 --> 01:53:49,210
identify them maybe 70% of our listeners

2847
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:51,400
say yeah I know what that case is but

2848
01:53:54,630 --> 01:53:53,050
other listeners who are just joining us

2849
01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:54,640
on the network just picking up the show

2850
01:53:59,310 --> 01:53:56,950
haven't heard about this cases so maybe

2851
01:54:01,320 --> 01:53:59,320
what we should do is okay you have

2852
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:01,330
several favorite cases maybe we can

2853
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:04,570
start here and maybe the next segment

2854
01:54:10,020 --> 01:54:07,350
summarizing those cases telling these

2855
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:10,030
listeners what is compelling about them

2856
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,460
what makes you find them important

2857
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:14,560
enough sure well I mean there's of

2858
01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:17,170
course a lot of very outstanding cases I

2859
01:54:22,860 --> 01:54:19,030
mean one of them that I find fascinating

2860
01:54:25,230 --> 01:54:22,870
is the 1976 case over Tehran Iran which

2861
01:54:27,210 --> 01:54:25,240
I cover in the book through general

2862
01:54:29,190 --> 01:54:27,220
Parviz Jafari who was a pilot at the

2863
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:29,200
time but later became a general in Iran

2864
01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:30,760
and probably most people are familiar

2865
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:33,340
with it but um it's it's extremely

2866
01:54:38,939 --> 01:54:36,670
compelling there were two two Air Force

2867
01:54:40,469 --> 01:54:38,949
jets sent up to investigate this

2868
01:54:42,419 --> 01:54:40,479
gigantic kind of diamond-shaped

2869
01:54:45,870 --> 01:54:42,429
star-like object that was hanging out

2870
01:54:47,759 --> 01:54:45,880
over Iran and the Air Force pilots each

2871
01:54:49,770 --> 01:54:47,769
plane and I think they were I forget

2872
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:49,780
what type of jet they were but they had

2873
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,170
two pilots in each one and eventually

2874
01:54:56,939 --> 01:54:55,360
what happened was when they would get to

2875
01:54:58,949 --> 01:54:56,949
a certain distance from the object they

2876
01:55:00,120 --> 01:54:58,959
would lose control of their radios and

2877
01:55:02,759 --> 01:55:00,130
their equipment it would all go out

2878
01:55:05,129 --> 01:55:02,769
within I think it was 2025 miles and

2879
01:55:08,370 --> 01:55:05,139
then at one point Jafari was up there

2880
01:55:09,779 --> 01:55:08,380
with his copilot and the odds of larger

2881
01:55:12,839 --> 01:55:09,789
objects sent out these sort of

2882
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:12,849
projectile smaller round objects that

2883
01:55:16,049 --> 01:55:15,010
which headed right directly for him and

2884
01:55:18,209 --> 01:55:16,059
he thought that they were going to hit

2885
01:55:21,149 --> 01:55:18,219
him and we'll go into the second part of

2886
01:55:23,879 --> 01:55:21,159
that with Leslie Cain next week on the

2887
01:55:25,979 --> 01:55:23,889
power cast we will feature a lunar

2888
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:25,989
roundtable you asked for it with Don

2889
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:28,209
Ecker of dark matters radio and of

2890
01:55:32,669 --> 01:55:30,249
course the power cast forms an author

2891
01:55:35,489 --> 01:55:32,679
and publisher David Hatcher Childress

2892
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:35,499
next week on the power cast the co-host

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01:55:45,629 --> 01:55:37,449
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm the

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para cast when we broke this citing the

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pilot saw projectiles coming forth from

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the UFO that's correct and having that

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02:00:41,630 --> 02:00:38,969
two three four times and each time he

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was he felt he had to fire a missile at

3006
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:43,920
it so he was just about to press the

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button on a heat-seeking missile which

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02:00:50,750 --> 02:00:49,020
was going to be sent out you know it has

3009
02:00:53,660 --> 02:00:50,760
locked on to the object that was coming

3010
02:00:55,459 --> 02:00:53,670
towards him and as he was about to press

3011
02:00:57,140 --> 02:00:55,469
the button on his equipment which would

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02:00:58,640 --> 02:00:57,150
have sent actually sent the missile

3013
02:01:00,979 --> 02:00:58,650
which had already locked on to this

3014
02:01:03,229 --> 02:01:00,989
projectile was coming towards him he is

3015
02:01:05,090 --> 02:01:03,239
completely his computer his equipment

3016
02:01:08,090 --> 02:01:05,100
just went out I mean it was as if he had

3017
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:08,100
no power and it was completely disabled

3018
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:10,560
by something and it was very bizarre

3019
02:01:14,630 --> 02:01:13,170
because in each situation this happened

3020
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:14,640
right at the moment where he was going

3021
02:01:19,550 --> 02:01:16,530
to press that button now fortunately

3022
02:01:21,260 --> 02:01:19,560
these things never hit him but he was up

3023
02:01:23,479 --> 02:01:21,270
there was sort of this cat and all kind

3024
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:23,489
of situation for quite a while and there

3025
02:01:27,350 --> 02:01:25,110
was a you know again this is a larger

3026
02:01:29,780 --> 02:01:27,360
object that he described it was just

3027
02:01:31,790 --> 02:01:29,790
sort of suspended there he described it

3028
02:01:34,250 --> 02:01:31,800
as having these brilliant strobe lights

3029
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:34,260
it was like one massive strobe light of

3030
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:35,460
these different colors that were

3031
02:01:39,050 --> 02:01:37,650
flashing so brilliant that he said you

3032
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:39,060
couldn't actually see a physical object

3033
02:01:44,300 --> 02:01:42,480
you just saw the light and eventually he

3034
02:01:46,459 --> 02:01:44,310
came back down and there was apparently

3035
02:01:48,770 --> 02:01:46,469
an object that had landed and was

3036
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:48,780
sending off they never found that object

3037
02:01:51,770 --> 02:01:50,250
but there were signals that were being

3038
02:01:54,140 --> 02:01:51,780
sent off from the ground it was quite a

3039
02:01:55,310 --> 02:01:54,150
quite a situation and I think one of the

3040
02:01:57,439 --> 02:01:55,320
things that's really fascinating about

3041
02:01:59,510 --> 02:01:57,449
this case is the fact that the United

3042
02:02:01,280 --> 02:01:59,520
States government was was they had

3043
02:02:04,580 --> 02:02:01,290
somebody over there who went to the

3044
02:02:07,190 --> 02:02:04,590
debriefing afterwards and the DIA filed

3045
02:02:09,230 --> 02:02:07,200
a three detail three-page document

3046
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:09,240
secret document about the case at the

3047
02:02:12,620 --> 02:02:10,800
time which was later released with the

3048
02:02:14,830 --> 02:02:12,630
Freedom of Information Act in which they

3049
02:02:17,630 --> 02:02:14,840
gave an absolutely outstanding

3050
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:17,640
evaluation to this case and the DIA

3051
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:20,010
evaluation that was written by Air Force

3052
02:02:25,340 --> 02:02:22,770
Major Colonel Roland Evans actually

3053
02:02:27,710 --> 02:02:25,350
states quotes this case is a classic

3054
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:27,720
which meets all the criteria necessary

3055
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:30,810
for a valid study of UFO phenomena and

3056
02:02:34,730 --> 02:02:32,880
then it lists these points about what

3057
02:02:36,580 --> 02:02:34,740
makes this case so outstanding

3058
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:36,590
now that is being written by the

3059
02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:38,130
Department of Defense Intelligence

3060
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:40,710
Agency by a government which is or it

3061
02:02:44,420 --> 02:02:42,690
which has told the public you know six

3062
02:02:46,010 --> 02:02:44,430
years earlier that it had absolutely no

3063
02:02:47,570 --> 02:02:46,020
interest in UFOs it was not going to

3064
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:47,580
continue to investigate them and it

3065
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:49,410
wants nothing to do with them etc etc

3066
02:02:54,620 --> 02:02:51,570
and here you are with a statement like

3067
02:02:56,540 --> 02:02:54,630
that so I I find that extremely

3068
02:02:58,490 --> 02:02:56,550
interesting the document is as

3069
02:03:01,220 --> 02:02:58,500
interesting is the case lesson that

3070
02:03:04,010 --> 02:03:01,230
possibly indicate there is this secret

3071
02:03:05,870 --> 02:03:04,020
interest in UFOs that may be ongoing to

3072
02:03:08,660 --> 02:03:05,880
this very day I mean back in the old

3073
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:08,670
days major Donald Kehoe referred to the

3074
02:03:14,300 --> 02:03:11,520
silence group yeah I mean it it could

3075
02:03:16,190 --> 02:03:14,310
you know this Colonel this Air Force

3076
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,200
Major who wrote this document reviewed

3077
02:03:19,580 --> 02:03:18,000
the data and he came up with this

3078
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:19,590
conclusion you know whether that means

3079
02:03:25,220 --> 02:03:22,320
anything beyond that I don't know but

3080
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:25,230
certainly there was enough interest in

3081
02:03:28,730 --> 02:03:26,970
it you know and I make the point in my

3082
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:28,740
book that after the close of Project

3083
02:03:32,630 --> 02:03:30,450
Blue Book their sins have been a lot of

3084
02:03:35,660 --> 02:03:32,640
interest in our government in foreign

3085
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:35,670
cases you know we have documents about

3086
02:03:39,230 --> 02:03:37,710
cases that take place in other countries

3087
02:03:41,810 --> 02:03:39,240
we don't seem to have documents about

3088
02:03:43,610 --> 02:03:41,820
cases that took place in our country but

3089
02:03:45,710 --> 02:03:43,620
obviously the interest continued and we

3090
02:03:47,570 --> 02:03:45,720
also know from the bohlander memo that's

3091
02:03:49,130 --> 02:03:47,580
famous memo that was filed a couple of

3092
02:03:51,140 --> 02:03:49,140
months before the announcement of the

3093
02:03:53,150 --> 02:03:51,150
close of Project Blue Book that you know

3094
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:53,160
channels were still set up for national

3095
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:56,000
security cases to be investigated and

3096
02:04:00,560 --> 02:03:58,320
certainly the mechanism was there within

3097
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:00,570
the Air Force and other intelligence

3098
02:04:06,020 --> 02:04:02,930
agencies for UFO cases to be

3099
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:06,030
investigated so yes it's no question

3100
02:04:10,820 --> 02:04:08,340
that these investigations continued we

3101
02:04:12,830 --> 02:04:10,830
just don't know to what extent how much

3102
02:04:14,450 --> 02:04:12,840
of the information was kept secret how

3103
02:04:16,730 --> 02:04:14,460
much more they know then we actually

3104
02:04:18,830 --> 02:04:16,740
have learned from documents that have

3105
02:04:20,540 --> 02:04:18,840
been released and all these questions

3106
02:04:21,950 --> 02:04:20,550
remain unanswered but

3107
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:21,960
there's no question that we have

3108
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:23,730
documents that show that there was a lot

3109
02:04:27,110 --> 02:04:25,530
of interest in activity going on with

3110
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:27,120
within our government in these cases

3111
02:04:31,700 --> 02:04:29,280
Iranian case is an example of one of

3112
02:04:33,230 --> 02:04:31,710
those cases what about the present day

3113
02:04:35,180 --> 02:04:33,240
in the 21st century

3114
02:04:38,510 --> 02:04:35,190
do we see documents that indicate

3115
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:38,520
ongoing interest today I haven't seen

3116
02:04:42,530 --> 02:04:40,770
any documents on that no I mean I know

3117
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:42,540
in an example a recent example being the

3118
02:04:47,210 --> 02:04:44,370
O'Hare Airport case which happened only

3119
02:04:49,670 --> 02:04:47,220
in 2006 in which our government took

3120
02:04:51,980 --> 02:04:49,680
absolutely no interest and there's been

3121
02:04:54,170 --> 02:04:51,990
you know there were these tapes that

3122
02:04:55,340 --> 02:04:54,180
were released from the communications

3123
02:04:58,070 --> 02:04:55,350
that took place with the tower during

3124
02:04:59,780 --> 02:04:58,080
the event but nothing nothing on file

3125
02:05:01,550 --> 02:04:59,790
about the case that we know of and I

3126
02:05:03,380 --> 02:05:01,560
strongly suspect that there isn't

3127
02:05:06,170 --> 02:05:03,390
anything because there was just no

3128
02:05:09,620 --> 02:05:06,180
interest in it but it seems to me that

3129
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:09,630
the 70s and 80s we have documents

3130
02:05:13,340 --> 02:05:11,730
there's nothing nothing relevant a

3131
02:05:15,710 --> 02:05:13,350
significant from the 90s nothing about

3132
02:05:17,780 --> 02:05:15,720
the Phoenix lights on record at least

3133
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:17,790
that we know of you know maybe it's too

3134
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:19,440
early to expect those documents to come

3135
02:05:25,300 --> 02:05:23,010
out but so the trend continues of

3136
02:05:28,850 --> 02:05:25,310
certainly within the United States of

3137
02:05:31,460 --> 02:05:28,860
ignoring cases as much as possible and

3138
02:05:33,170 --> 02:05:31,470
when pressed to give an answer coming up

3139
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,180
with something absurd to just make it go

3140
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:35,520
away that's exactly what happens with

3141
02:05:40,700 --> 02:05:38,250
the Chicago O'Hare case in 2006 and that

3142
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:40,710
was only a few years ago of course that

3143
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:44,010
went on with the Roswell New Mexico case

3144
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:47,370
so many different explanations so this

3145
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:49,170
book that recently came out from Annie

3146
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:52,410
Jacobson on area 51 do you find any

3147
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:54,690
possible UFO implications there other

3148
02:06:00,680 --> 02:05:58,260
than the controversial explanation for

3149
02:06:02,750 --> 02:06:00,690
Roswell yeah I mean I have to confess I

3150
02:06:04,340 --> 02:06:02,760
haven't read her book yet so I can't

3151
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:04,350
really comment on it I've dined to read

3152
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:06,480
it though but I did read about the story

3153
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:08,070
she came up with you know from that

3154
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:11,250
witness explaining the Roswell case it

3155
02:06:15,740 --> 02:06:14,250
seems really really ludicrous to me but

3156
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:15,750
you know I I haven't read the book I

3157
02:06:21,050 --> 02:06:19,440
haven't really looked into it so but but

3158
02:06:22,190 --> 02:06:21,060
I can tell you as a journalist I mean

3159
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:22,200
this is what sort of struck me about

3160
02:06:29,390 --> 02:06:25,530
that you know I would never write up the

3161
02:06:31,460 --> 02:06:29,400
case based on one unnamed source which

3162
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:31,470
is what she did in presenting that

3163
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:33,840
scenario and you know it's just not

3164
02:06:37,340 --> 02:06:34,410
something

3165
02:06:39,890 --> 02:06:37,350
I mean I am so super careful to the

3166
02:06:41,900 --> 02:06:39,900
extreme with the material that I present

3167
02:06:44,660 --> 02:06:41,910
because of the controversial nature of

3168
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:44,670
it that you know if I'm thinking boy if

3169
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:46,290
that really sells books that's cool

3170
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:48,210
because think of the unnamed source

3171
02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:49,920
stories I could have put in my book and

3172
02:06:53,660 --> 02:06:51,300
maybe I would have sold three times as

3173
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,670
many copies you know but it's just not

3174
02:06:58,820 --> 02:06:56,400
responsible journalism to do that that's

3175
02:07:01,490 --> 02:06:58,830
the way I look at it and she had this

3176
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:01,500
story based on one an unnamed source so

3177
02:07:07,070 --> 02:07:03,930
to me just the fact that that to be

3178
02:07:09,020 --> 02:07:07,080
sourced for the story is a suspect it's

3179
02:07:11,210 --> 02:07:09,030
just not solid enough to really rely on

3180
02:07:13,220 --> 02:07:11,220
when that source allegedly has been

3181
02:07:15,740 --> 02:07:13,230
outed but it doesn't seem like it

3182
02:07:17,330 --> 02:07:15,750
produces any further information and I'm

3183
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:17,340
only speculating here folks

3184
02:07:22,430 --> 02:07:20,490
maybe the publisher had her put that

3185
02:07:24,500 --> 02:07:22,440
story in just to sell more books oh

3186
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:24,510
there's a UFO connection it's Roswell

3187
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,770
let's do it

3188
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:28,320
why is Roswell still so compelling is

3189
02:07:33,140 --> 02:07:31,050
that the most important case ever

3190
02:07:36,770 --> 02:07:33,150
because some people kind of want you to

3191
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:36,780
believe it is yeah I mean I it's an

3192
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:38,610
interesting thing I think it's become so

3193
02:07:42,710 --> 02:07:40,410
much part of the sort of culture I mean

3194
02:07:45,050 --> 02:07:42,720
I guess it's it's interesting it's

3195
02:07:47,330 --> 02:07:45,060
popular because everybody knows about it

3196
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:47,340
you know people think of UFO so a lot of

3197
02:07:51,980 --> 02:07:48,810
people the second thing they think of is

3198
02:07:53,900 --> 02:07:51,990
Roswell and it's just kind become the

3199
02:07:55,670 --> 02:07:53,910
sort of mythology as part which is part

3200
02:07:59,360 --> 02:07:55,680
of our culture that fascinates people

3201
02:08:01,100 --> 02:07:59,370
and I just you know I don't think it's

3202
02:08:04,130 --> 02:08:01,110
the most important case at all just

3203
02:08:05,930 --> 02:08:04,140
because it was so long ago we've already

3204
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:05,940
learned everything we can learn about it

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you have evidence of other possibly UFO

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release of her book UFOs generals pilots

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couldn't afford the hardcover you want

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something that may seem a bit more

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disposable in terms of carrying it with

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you get that paperback get it now and of

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course there's this documentary from

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history sometimes called The History

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Channel called secret access UFOs on the

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so Leslie Cain any evidence of other UFO

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crashes come your way equal better than

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Roswell whatever gosh I wish I could say

3335
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yes to that gene but no I haven't gotten

3336
02:13:52,340 --> 02:13:50,160
any evidence on crashes I and I did work

3337
02:13:54,430 --> 02:13:52,350
on the Kecksburg UFO case for many years

3338
02:13:58,130 --> 02:13:54,440
1965 but that's nothing new

3339
02:13:59,560 --> 02:13:58,140
so no nothing nothing new and I you know

3340
02:14:02,180 --> 02:13:59,570
there's so many sort of tantalizing

3341
02:14:03,530 --> 02:14:02,190
suggestive case yeah yeah I don't know

3342
02:14:05,479 --> 02:14:03,540
if you can really call them cases but

3343
02:14:06,740 --> 02:14:05,489
just situations in which crashes may

3344
02:14:09,140 --> 02:14:06,750
have occurred but we just don't seem to

3345
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:09,150
have enough information about so many of

3346
02:14:15,020 --> 02:14:11,370
those to really draw a conclusion about

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02:14:17,420 --> 02:14:15,030
it so I wish I had more to offer on that

3348
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,430
but I don't and the other subject which

3349
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:19,920
of course can be controversial is that

3350
02:14:25,130 --> 02:14:22,650
of UFO abductions where do you stand on

3351
02:14:27,140 --> 02:14:25,140
that question I have great respect for

3352
02:14:29,990 --> 02:14:27,150
the research has been done in that field

3353
02:14:31,880 --> 02:14:30,000
by mainly by John Mack Budd Hopkins and

3354
02:14:34,729 --> 02:14:31,890
David Jacobs and I find it fascinating

3355
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:34,739
and curious and I just find it very

3356
02:14:39,950 --> 02:14:37,199
interesting but I certainly I'm not an

3357
02:14:42,410 --> 02:14:39,960
expert on it I you know I don't really

3358
02:14:44,270 --> 02:14:42,420
deal with that material because it's not

3359
02:14:45,860 --> 02:14:44,280
the kind of material that can be I can

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02:14:47,870 --> 02:14:45,870
make use of in terms of the goals that I

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02:14:51,500 --> 02:14:47,880
have and what I'm trying to accomplish

3362
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:51,510
so it's - sort of outside the box or for

3363
02:14:56,450 --> 02:14:54,000
me to carry along with the data that I

3364
02:14:59,209 --> 02:14:56,460
carry with me when I'm doing this work

3365
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:59,219
are the implications - out there is that

3366
02:15:01,819 --> 02:15:00,239
part of it yeah

3367
02:15:03,109 --> 02:15:01,829
surely it's not something you know I

3368
02:15:05,029 --> 02:15:03,119
would want to bring to the science at

3369
02:15:07,850 --> 02:15:05,039
the community or the political

3370
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,860
establishment absolutely not it doesn't

3371
02:15:12,529 --> 02:15:09,840
mean that it's not happening I mean I'm

3372
02:15:14,959 --> 02:15:12,539
in no position to know but I'd you have

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to start with the very basic square one

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02:15:19,069 --> 02:15:16,920
stuff if you're trying to reach people

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that completely dismiss the subject

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02:15:23,330 --> 02:15:21,269
which is you know here's the physical

3377
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evidence for a physical phenomenon that

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02:15:27,890 --> 02:15:25,530
happens to be in the sky you know or it

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has landed but you don't talk about who

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02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:30,179
might be driving that or why they might

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be here and all the things that the

3382
02:15:35,899 --> 02:15:33,989
abduction material brings up that's not

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something that I can take with me to a

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member of Congress you know it's just

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02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,650
out it's way too far out sure but you're

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forced then to be somewhat politically

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correct if you want to reach these

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people you have to basically take a

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certain level of evidence and beyond

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that it's just not going to work it's

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not going to gather there a serious

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interest that's absolutely right and the

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way you have to look at it is that once

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we get this initial door open which is -

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whatever it's going to be and hopefully

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it'll be some kind of office within

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government someplace that's responsible

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for dealing with this issue once these

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that initial door is open then we can

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move forward and other aspects of the

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phenomenon all the other more bizarre

3402
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aspects of it can eventually be dealt

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with but until that moment happens yes I

3404
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guess politically correct is the word

3405
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:25,050
I'd be very very careful about what

3406
02:16:29,870 --> 02:16:27,840
information I bring forward in terms of

3407
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these people being able to even relate

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to it remotely you know you got to deal

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with things like aviation safety issues

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or rooms you can't start talking about

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people being abducted there's no way

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that they can take that into their realm

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and deal with it and then you know be

3414
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serious about it

3415
02:16:48,169 --> 02:16:45,899
it just has to wait for later that kind

3416
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:48,179
of information what about the funding

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02:16:53,629 --> 02:16:50,160
issue I mean we can't get the government

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to fund more unemployment insurance or

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improving our infrastructure building

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roads fixing bridges before they come

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collapsing down how do you get them to

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spend even a few million dollars on UFO

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02:17:08,030 --> 02:17:06,029
research it's a really good question and

3424
02:17:09,559 --> 02:17:08,040
of course we were proposing a lot less

3425
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than even a few million though if we're

3426
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talking about one staff member say as

3427
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part of the office of science tech

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02:17:16,370 --> 02:17:14,040
technology

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02:17:18,830 --> 02:17:16,380
policy let's say at the White House who

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02:17:20,660 --> 02:17:18,840
is sort of a coordinator for lots of

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different kinds of work that can take

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02:17:24,500 --> 02:17:22,080
place in terms of coordinating with

3433
02:17:26,839 --> 02:17:24,510
other countries handling cases that

3434
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:26,849
might come up now I mean really to have

3435
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:29,040
one person in place this is like the

3436
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:31,530
minimum that we would ask for is not

3437
02:17:35,540 --> 02:17:33,450
going to be that expensive I mean they

3438
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:35,550
can use existing resources that's the

3439
02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:37,530
thing in terms of if something should

3440
02:17:42,470 --> 02:17:40,410
happen like O'Hare Airport and we want

3441
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:42,480
to send out somebody from our agency or

3442
02:17:47,570 --> 02:17:45,090
our point person needs to investigate a

3443
02:17:49,250 --> 02:17:47,580
case like that it's not it wouldn't cost

3444
02:17:52,129 --> 02:17:49,260
a fortune for them to do it because they

3445
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:52,139
just need to acquire data and a lot of

3446
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the laboratories and so on are already

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there in place so even you know even

3448
02:18:02,750 --> 02:18:00,750
though I'd say half a million you know a

3449
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:02,760
million dollars something like that to

3450
02:18:06,530 --> 02:18:05,130
just get it set up it's not that much if

3451
02:18:08,089 --> 02:18:06,540
you're if you're looking at the size of

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02:18:09,950 --> 02:18:08,099
budgets that we're dealing with in terms

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02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:09,960
of the Office of Science Technology

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02:18:15,020 --> 02:18:12,690
Policy of its whole overall budget it's

3455
02:18:16,730 --> 02:18:15,030
a tiny tiny amount besides how much

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money are they spending on the sex

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practices of turtles I mean it's crazy

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out there the way the money is spent I

3459
02:18:26,990 --> 02:18:25,020
don't know what you know it's it's a

3460
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battle can I say you just keep pushing

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02:18:31,490 --> 02:18:29,219
forward wouldn't you be better having it

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done on a civilian basis maybe trying to

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get grants to the college or university

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02:18:37,610 --> 02:18:35,790
I mean that's there are people who have

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tried that for years and yes of course

3466
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it would be wonderful it just doesn't it

3467
02:18:43,549 --> 02:18:41,280
seems a lot easier said than done you

3468
02:18:45,620 --> 02:18:43,559
know and that's why I'm sort of more

3469
02:18:47,150 --> 02:18:45,630
focused on it it's once the government

3470
02:18:49,310 --> 02:18:47,160
can just slightly change its attitude

3471
02:18:50,930 --> 02:18:49,320
towards it sort of opens up the doors

3472
02:18:54,020 --> 02:18:50,940
for all these other things to happen

3473
02:18:56,570 --> 02:18:54,030
such as grants flowing into universities

3474
02:18:58,250 --> 02:18:56,580
but people have tried and I'm certainly

3475
02:18:59,839 --> 02:18:58,260
all for anybody that feels they can put

3476
02:19:02,500 --> 02:18:59,849
together a civilian organization and

3477
02:19:05,390 --> 02:19:02,510
raise the funds to make it work

3478
02:19:07,730 --> 02:19:05,400
fantastic but it just doesn't seem to be

3479
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:07,740
a possibility because of the problems

3480
02:19:12,140 --> 02:19:09,990
you have with the funding issue you know

3481
02:19:14,209 --> 02:19:12,150
we just need a fundamental shift in how

3482
02:19:18,410 --> 02:19:14,219
we view this subject matter within the

3483
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:18,420
be status quo I think before we can get

3484
02:19:23,870 --> 02:19:21,450
some kind of liberation of funding to

3485
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:23,880
move forward with this and we're really

3486
02:19:27,590 --> 02:19:26,610
it's it's a it's a very stuck place that

3487
02:19:29,871 --> 02:19:27,600
we're in right now

3488
02:19:32,451 --> 02:19:29,881
trying to make that happen but I don't

3489
02:19:34,670 --> 02:19:32,461
see any other way to do it we're gonna

3490
02:19:38,180 --> 02:19:34,680
have to trick them into doing it

3491
02:19:41,081 --> 02:19:38,190
basically we recommend without using

3492
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:41,091
language like you aap there you go

3493
02:19:46,730 --> 02:19:44,370
not the trickster Chris oh you miss the

3494
02:19:48,020 --> 02:19:46,740
T word we can't mention that here you

3495
02:19:49,850 --> 02:19:48,030
know we're not supposed to let Chris

3496
02:19:51,831 --> 02:19:49,860
ever say the word trickster ever again

3497
02:19:53,241 --> 02:19:51,841
on the show because the critics are out

3498
02:19:55,100 --> 02:19:53,251
there saying he does it every single

3499
02:19:57,491 --> 02:19:55,110
episode which of course he doesn't I did

3500
02:20:02,051 --> 02:19:57,501
but we don't want to get into that

3501
02:20:04,341 --> 02:20:02,061
seriously speaking here doesn't it also

3502
02:20:06,711 --> 02:20:04,351
present difficulty with a lot of these

3503
02:20:09,140 --> 02:20:06,721
private UFO organizations that sometimes

3504
02:20:12,051 --> 02:20:09,150
go off the rails I'll give an example

3505
02:20:13,791 --> 02:20:12,061
the problems that MUFON has had you know

3506
02:20:15,980 --> 02:20:13,801
a lot of serious people scientists are

3507
02:20:19,131 --> 02:20:15,990
involved there but they've had issues

3508
02:20:21,081 --> 02:20:19,141
with that change of directors that claim

3509
02:20:24,261 --> 02:20:21,091
of financial irregularities of fact the

3510
02:20:26,301 --> 02:20:24,271
last MUFON Convention featured a couple

3511
02:20:29,241 --> 02:20:26,311
of woowoo people is it possible for

3512
02:20:31,161 --> 02:20:29,251
civilian organizations of that to fill

3513
02:20:33,291 --> 02:20:31,171
the gap can they fill the gap have they

3514
02:20:36,711 --> 02:20:33,301
fill the gap you mean some other

3515
02:20:39,051 --> 02:20:36,721
organizations other than MUFON any kind

3516
02:20:41,451 --> 02:20:39,061
of organization is it possible to work

3517
02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:41,461
within that purview I mean I you know I

3518
02:20:46,220 --> 02:20:43,740
think you know even the best civilian

3519
02:20:48,171 --> 02:20:46,230
organization and in my opinion that NAR

3520
02:20:49,730 --> 02:20:48,181
cap in the National Aviation Reporting

3521
02:20:51,801 --> 02:20:49,740
Center and anomalous phenomena is an

3522
02:20:54,711 --> 02:20:51,811
outstanding organization run by dr.

3523
02:20:56,211 --> 02:20:54,721
Richard Haines but again they have the

3524
02:20:58,491 --> 02:20:56,221
same issue they they certainly get some

3525
02:21:02,091 --> 02:20:58,501
good work done in our cap but it's they

3526
02:21:04,461 --> 02:21:02,101
have no funding but I think you know and

3527
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:04,471
in dr. Haines recognizes to I mean the

3528
02:21:09,411 --> 02:21:06,570
limitations that a civilian group faces

3529
02:21:12,860 --> 02:21:09,421
on investigating any case is simply the

3530
02:21:14,390 --> 02:21:12,870
access of data for a civilian to get

3531
02:21:15,860 --> 02:21:14,400
information you know you got to go

3532
02:21:17,541 --> 02:21:15,870
through the Freedom of Information Act

3533
02:21:19,701 --> 02:21:17,551
you may or may not get it you get it

3534
02:21:21,381 --> 02:21:19,711
months later if you have a government

3535
02:21:23,650 --> 02:21:21,391
official that can walk into O'Hare

3536
02:21:26,810 --> 02:21:23,660
Airport the day after an event happens

3537
02:21:28,821 --> 02:21:26,820
that person can demand instantaneous

3538
02:21:32,841 --> 02:21:28,831
access to any kind of information they

3539
02:21:34,461 --> 02:21:32,851
want they need it's all provided and you

3540
02:21:36,321 --> 02:21:34,471
know all the radar from all the

3541
02:21:37,610 --> 02:21:36,331
different various stations around and

3542
02:21:39,081 --> 02:21:37,620
interviews they can get access to

3543
02:21:40,940 --> 02:21:39,091
interviews with every employee

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02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:40,950
regardless of what United Airlines has

3545
02:21:44,180 --> 02:21:41,520
to say

3546
02:21:46,190 --> 02:21:44,190
this is our government stepping in now a

3547
02:21:47,960 --> 02:21:46,200
civilian group can't do that they just

3548
02:21:49,550 --> 02:21:47,970
don't have that kind of access and I

3549
02:21:51,469 --> 02:21:49,560
think that's really the crux of the

3550
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:51,479
reason why we need a government agency

3551
02:21:56,300 --> 02:21:54,240
to be active on this issue is because

3552
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:56,310
it's assuming that they have the right

3553
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intentions that they're going to do the

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job properly they're going to make

3555
02:22:02,990 --> 02:22:00,600
everything public and all the things

3556
02:22:05,150 --> 02:22:03,000
that we would hope for they can go in

3557
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:05,160
immediately and get the data that's

3558
02:22:09,050 --> 02:22:07,110
needed to properly investigate a case

3559
02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:09,060
and a civilian group can't it's just

3560
02:22:13,100 --> 02:22:09,810
that simple

3561
02:22:15,469 --> 02:22:13,110
hmm we have Leslie Kane once again her

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book is called UFOs generals pilots and

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government officials go on the record

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paperback edition available now you can

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there's that documentary on the History

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Channel secret access UFOs on the record

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gonna ask a few more questions we have a

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few more moments to spare with Leslie

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Kane I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast so

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for a moment as the episode progressives

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every time the episode proceeds that

3684
02:27:40,461 --> 02:27:38,340
Chris O'Brien's statement the para cast

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gets deeper and deeper

3686
02:27:44,091 --> 02:27:43,230
we noticed that hey Chris how low can

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you go

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02:27:48,290 --> 02:27:46,141
lastly cane joining us wondering whether

3689
02:27:49,820 --> 02:27:48,300
all this guff is about now from what

3690
02:27:52,461 --> 02:27:49,830
you're describing here a government

3691
02:27:54,140 --> 02:27:52,471
agency that would investigate UFOs it

3692
02:27:56,930 --> 02:27:54,150
kind of sounds like bringing back

3693
02:27:59,180 --> 02:27:56,940
project Bluebook so is that the endgame

3694
02:28:00,890 --> 02:27:59,190
is that a possible end game I mean

3695
02:28:03,711 --> 02:28:00,900
obviously not we don't want to repeat

3696
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:03,721
the many mistakes and problems that

3697
02:28:07,761 --> 02:28:05,340
we're all aware of that you know went on

3698
02:28:09,230 --> 02:28:07,771
with Project Blue Book I mean the idea

3699
02:28:11,751 --> 02:28:09,240
you know this is again just sort of an

3700
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:11,761
ideal scenario that we myself and my

3701
02:28:15,230 --> 02:28:13,290
colleagues have come up with would be to

3702
02:28:16,520 --> 02:28:15,240
have you know an organization that and

3703
02:28:18,740 --> 02:28:16,530
again we're just talking about something

3704
02:28:21,230 --> 02:28:18,750
really small but that will not try to

3705
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:21,240
cover up a fence by coming up with bogus

3706
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:22,650
explanations for them but the whole

3707
02:28:26,690 --> 02:28:25,200
premise is to investigate cases and be

3708
02:28:28,700 --> 02:28:26,700
willing to acknowledge if something

3709
02:28:31,131 --> 02:28:28,710
can't be explained just as simply as

3710
02:28:33,230 --> 02:28:31,141
that to do a proper investigation and to

3711
02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:33,240
make it public and one way we would hope

3712
02:28:36,921 --> 02:28:35,250
to make sure that this happens in the

3713
02:28:39,830 --> 02:28:36,931
way that it should would be to have an

3714
02:28:41,660 --> 02:28:39,840
outside advisory board composed of you

3715
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know outstanding researchers and

3716
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military people and people that care

3717
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about this issue and know a lot about it

3718
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to kind of guide this person and act as

3719
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a resource for the person who's on the

3720
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staff at this agency and also to assure

3721
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that to sort of oversee it and assure

3722
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that things are done properly and that

3723
02:29:00,890 --> 02:28:59,280
information is made public I mean I

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think you know we're in a different time

3725
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right now I don't imagine a scenario in

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02:29:07,370 --> 02:29:05,370
which we'd get an agency that you know

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02:29:09,470 --> 02:29:07,380
the whole point is it would be really is

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to do it differently and if we're just

3729
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gonna have an agency that's going to do

3730
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what the FAA did at O'Hare which is to

3731
02:29:16,190 --> 02:29:14,550
tell us that it was a weather phenomenon

3732
02:29:18,530 --> 02:29:16,200
it's this point what I'm thinking in

3733
02:29:20,511 --> 02:29:18,540
terms of the announced school a project

3734
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:20,521
Bluebook say at the time that Captain

3735
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:22,650
Edward Roop helped hated for what two

3736
02:29:26,480 --> 02:29:24,330
years or something like that it seemed

3737
02:29:28,580 --> 02:29:26,490
then to be a pretty serious straight

3738
02:29:30,801 --> 02:29:28,590
forward organization yes it became a

3739
02:29:33,261 --> 02:29:30,811
public relations arm later on where they

3740
02:29:35,240 --> 02:29:33,271
did nothing but simply debunk everything

3741
02:29:36,921 --> 02:29:35,250
but don't you think roof health tried to

3742
02:29:37,570 --> 02:29:36,931
do the right thing yeah and from the

3743
02:29:39,700 --> 02:29:37,580
beginning like

3744
02:29:42,460 --> 02:29:39,710
the focus was really on national

3745
02:29:44,530 --> 02:29:42,470
security issues certainly the goals were

3746
02:29:46,180 --> 02:29:44,540
you know to try to learn more about it

3747
02:29:48,430 --> 02:29:46,190
and everything I mean but we're many

3748
02:29:50,500 --> 02:29:48,440
many years now forward from that so I

3749
02:29:52,210 --> 02:29:50,510
suspect that the framing of it would be

3750
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:52,220
different today yeah

3751
02:29:55,900 --> 02:29:54,080
framing of it is today we don't believe

3752
02:29:58,090 --> 02:29:55,910
our government at all I mean Congress

3753
02:30:00,340 --> 02:29:58,100
has what a ten percent approval rating

3754
02:30:02,200 --> 02:30:00,350
we don't believe anything in the

3755
02:30:04,780 --> 02:30:02,210
government after government announced

3756
02:30:07,570 --> 02:30:04,790
tomorrow the et is here and they come

3757
02:30:09,420 --> 02:30:07,580
from Zeta Reticuli I guess is where Stan

3758
02:30:12,730 --> 02:30:09,430
Friedman would suggest they come from

3759
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:12,740
they said that today we would say sure

3760
02:30:17,620 --> 02:30:13,840
right

3761
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:17,630
to have some pretty good proof wouldn't

3762
02:30:21,551 --> 02:30:19,760
we good old of Barack Obama showing up

3763
02:30:23,890 --> 02:30:21,561
hand-in-hand with a little gray you know

3764
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:23,900
saying I want to introduce my friend

3765
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:26,210
mixels more a lot of people wouldn't

3766
02:30:29,410 --> 02:30:27,920
believe it well they think it was a guy

3767
02:30:31,511 --> 02:30:29,420
in a costume like at the Fife Symington

3768
02:30:34,810 --> 02:30:31,521
press conference during the Phoenix life

3769
02:30:36,910 --> 02:30:34,820
oh boy the hubris and then to have him

3770
02:30:39,070 --> 02:30:36,920
come forward and contribute to your book

3771
02:30:41,290 --> 02:30:39,080
saying I actually did see it I know I

3772
02:30:42,551 --> 02:30:41,300
think it's amazing transformation I love

3773
02:30:44,890 --> 02:30:42,561
the story I think it's a really

3774
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:44,900
fascinating story of his whole saga yeah

3775
02:30:49,660 --> 02:30:47,510
what is he doing today five Symington

3776
02:30:51,700 --> 02:30:49,670
you know he travels a lot he's basically

3777
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:51,710
retired he running he founded a culinary

3778
02:30:56,110 --> 02:30:54,530
school in Phoenix Arizona right he's

3779
02:30:58,840 --> 02:30:56,120
involved with he's sort of a venture

3780
02:31:00,640 --> 02:30:58,850
capitalist type form because I live in

3781
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:00,650
the Phoenix area and Chris lives in

3782
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:02,210
Arizona we can come down here and have

3783
02:31:04,690 --> 02:31:03,050
him cook us dinner

3784
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:04,700
well yeah you should find out what I

3785
02:31:09,490 --> 02:31:07,010
think his Culinary Institute has a like

3786
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:09,500
a restaurant oh yeah I mean he's really

3787
02:31:13,750 --> 02:31:11,930
into that being a chef and everything

3788
02:31:16,180 --> 02:31:13,760
and we were filming him in Phoenix for

3789
02:31:17,710 --> 02:31:16,190
the documentary for the History Channel

3790
02:31:19,060 --> 02:31:17,720
you know we were out in the park where

3791
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:19,070
he originally saw the object and these

3792
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:20,960
people came up to him who knew him from

3793
02:31:24,761 --> 02:31:22,880
the school I mean he's you know he's

3794
02:31:26,500 --> 02:31:24,771
quite a sort of well-known person in

3795
02:31:28,750 --> 02:31:26,510
that area not just for having been

3796
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:28,760
governor but for that culinary school so

3797
02:31:34,480 --> 02:31:32,000
he's a man of many talents he flies too

3798
02:31:35,980 --> 02:31:34,490
he had he owns a plane and he flies he

3799
02:31:38,051 --> 02:31:35,990
has a home in Santa Barbara as well as

3800
02:31:40,690 --> 02:31:38,061
in Phoenix so he says there's a good

3801
02:31:42,940 --> 02:31:40,700
life and I know he does travel a great

3802
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:42,950
deal and he doesn't make saucer burgers

3803
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:44,930
I don't know what he makes I think it's

3804
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:46,850
pretty sophisticated whatever it is you

3805
02:31:50,011 --> 02:31:49,040
check out the restaurant sometime I'd be

3806
02:31:51,570 --> 02:31:50,021
curious Chris

3807
02:31:53,461 --> 02:31:51,580
you down here in Phoenix let's look him

3808
02:31:54,961 --> 02:31:53,471
up if we can find he's in town maybe do

3809
02:31:57,331 --> 02:31:54,971
an interview with him that would be fun

3810
02:31:59,341 --> 02:31:57,341
yeah venture capitalist maybe he'll fund

3811
02:32:00,871 --> 02:31:59,351
my camera project if he's a venture

3812
02:32:02,881 --> 02:32:00,881
capitalist okay I'm gonna ask that

3813
02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:02,891
question Lesley okay I'm here money

3814
02:32:06,600 --> 02:32:04,690
quite the word actually but you know he

3815
02:32:08,430 --> 02:32:06,610
he has business interests let's put it

3816
02:32:10,470 --> 02:32:08,440
that way but maybe venture capitalist is

3817
02:32:13,890 --> 02:32:10,480
too strong and description for it so we

3818
02:32:16,320 --> 02:32:13,900
can't get you money for research he

3819
02:32:17,701 --> 02:32:16,330
knows the score yeah I don't know any

3820
02:32:19,711 --> 02:32:17,711
Navy if he was approached us for

3821
02:32:24,841 --> 02:32:19,721
something specific who knows I can't

3822
02:32:27,121 --> 02:32:24,851
speak for him fund your research I still

3823
02:32:30,211 --> 02:32:27,131
think we should go to Paul Allen Warren

3824
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:30,221
Buffett Bill Gates even Steve Jobs and

3825
02:32:36,871 --> 02:32:33,280
asked them to write a few checks I think

3826
02:32:39,020 --> 02:32:36,881
miracles could happen if they did it no

3827
02:32:42,511 --> 02:32:39,030
George Soros is 28 year old girlfriend

3828
02:32:44,310 --> 02:32:42,521
okay he's got several billion he could

3829
02:32:46,350 --> 02:32:44,320
fund it all she's got 50 million of it

3830
02:32:48,991 --> 02:32:46,360
now or is going to based on some

3831
02:32:51,570 --> 02:32:49,001
headline I saw but hey hey funding of

3832
02:32:53,581 --> 02:32:51,580
these projects I think even ten years

3833
02:32:55,761 --> 02:32:53,591
ago would have been almost unobtainable

3834
02:32:58,801 --> 02:32:55,771
to actually have a hard data monitoring

3835
02:33:00,390 --> 02:32:58,811
process be funded but now I think you

3836
02:33:03,301 --> 02:33:00,400
know as I stated before the technology

3837
02:33:05,551 --> 02:33:03,311
has come down in price and I think it's

3838
02:33:08,161 --> 02:33:05,561
it's eminently doable for a private

3839
02:33:10,051 --> 02:33:08,171
organization to be in a position to get

3840
02:33:12,751 --> 02:33:10,061
unassailable you know wonderful

3841
02:33:15,780 --> 02:33:12,761
scientific data that just cannot be you

3842
02:33:18,091 --> 02:33:15,790
know just giggles away like most

3843
02:33:20,371 --> 02:33:18,101
sightings are in this day and age of

3844
02:33:22,261 --> 02:33:20,381
Photoshop and so many hoaxes we're

3845
02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:22,271
dealing with so it's not out of the

3846
02:33:27,930 --> 02:33:25,240
realm of reason to expect that a private

3847
02:33:29,970 --> 02:33:27,940
effort such as that could get funded and

3848
02:33:32,341 --> 02:33:29,980
could actually come up with unassailable

3849
02:33:34,051 --> 02:33:32,351
data I think that's to me that's the

3850
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:34,061
clear choice of a path forward in this

3851
02:33:41,011 --> 02:33:39,280
whole thing as a your description

3852
02:33:42,511 --> 02:33:41,021
earlier of having the gear and I know

3853
02:33:45,511 --> 02:33:42,521
other people too that have developed

3854
02:33:47,070 --> 02:33:45,521
very sophisticated photographic gear and

3855
02:33:48,690 --> 02:33:47,080
if we can just get enough people doing

3856
02:33:49,951 --> 02:33:48,700
that you know eventually you're right

3857
02:33:53,161 --> 02:33:49,961
we're going to capture some data that

3858
02:33:55,261 --> 02:33:53,171
will then expand the interest in the

3859
02:33:57,751 --> 02:33:55,271
subject so I agree with you I think it's

3860
02:34:03,869 --> 02:33:57,761
a absolutely fantastic way to proceed

3861
02:34:08,849 --> 02:34:06,779
absolutely so I you say you're reviewing

3862
02:34:12,229 --> 02:34:08,859
it yeah well I hope you capture that

3863
02:34:14,729 --> 02:34:12,239
data yep well that's I'm working on it

3864
02:34:17,219 --> 02:34:14,739
he'll let you know as soon as he lets me

3865
02:34:19,949 --> 02:34:17,229
you're the second person on the speed

3866
02:34:21,869 --> 02:34:19,959
dial I'd be honored okay

3867
02:34:23,099 --> 02:34:21,879
you'd be number two on the speed dial I

3868
02:34:25,199 --> 02:34:23,109
have to be number one because otherwise

3869
02:34:26,789 --> 02:34:25,209
he's fired but other than that would

3870
02:34:29,130 --> 02:34:26,799
like to have it now the book is called

3871
02:34:31,319 --> 02:34:29,140
UFOs generals pilots and government

3872
02:34:34,019 --> 02:34:31,329
officials go on the record the paperback

3873
02:34:35,639 --> 02:34:34,029
version is available Leslie and the

3874
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:35,649
remaining minute or two left can you

3875
02:34:41,130 --> 02:34:37,449
tell our listeners what they could do to

3876
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:41,140
advance the cause of UFO research to get

3877
02:34:45,449 --> 02:34:43,810
that serious interest at long last well

3878
02:34:46,559 --> 02:34:45,459
I think you know we I mean all the

3879
02:34:49,319 --> 02:34:46,569
different things we've been talking

3880
02:34:50,969 --> 02:34:49,329
about during the show sort of related to

3881
02:34:52,619 --> 02:34:50,979
that question of you know possibly

3882
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:52,629
writing to their representatives if they

3883
02:34:57,630 --> 02:34:54,850
can do it in a way that uses the right

3884
02:34:59,069 --> 02:34:57,640
kind of language to you know reach these

3885
02:35:00,959 --> 02:34:59,079
people who don't know anything about the

3886
02:35:02,399 --> 02:35:00,969
subject matter not to make claims about

3887
02:35:05,579 --> 02:35:02,409
it

3888
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:05,589
and just to support efforts such as the

3889
02:35:11,489 --> 02:35:08,350
one Kris is talking about to try to just

3890
02:35:14,699 --> 02:35:11,499
spread the word around and try to keep a

3891
02:35:16,590 --> 02:35:14,709
very level-headed about it not to assume

3892
02:35:19,409 --> 02:35:16,600
that we know what the UFO is already are

3893
02:35:21,599 --> 02:35:19,419
but that to remember the approach is

3894
02:35:23,369 --> 02:35:21,609
that we need the help of the scientific

3895
02:35:25,769 --> 02:35:23,379
community and of the US government in

3896
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:25,779
order to solve the problem and I think

3897
02:35:31,529 --> 02:35:28,479
if we can take that approach it appeals

3898
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:31,539
to the status quo in a way that other

3899
02:35:37,439 --> 02:35:35,770
approaches just haven't and won't so you

3900
02:35:39,119 --> 02:35:37,449
know I don't know what yeah each person

3901
02:35:41,519 --> 02:35:39,129
can do what they can do within their own

3902
02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:41,529
sphere of influence and you know whether

3903
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:43,449
it be also influencing their local

3904
02:35:47,729 --> 02:35:46,329
newspapers to you know write something

3905
02:35:51,149 --> 02:35:47,739
about it or write letters to the editor

3906
02:35:53,069 --> 02:35:51,159
I mean um I don't know everybody can you

3907
02:35:55,739 --> 02:35:53,079
know can make their own choices about it

3908
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:55,749
but I think we just have to all keep

3909
02:36:00,269 --> 02:35:58,479
doing our best to try to elevate the

3910
02:36:02,340 --> 02:36:00,279
discussion and we talked about the the

3911
02:36:05,010 --> 02:36:02,350
problem with the conference's you know

3912
02:36:05,849 --> 02:36:05,020
to try to clean up those conferences as

3913
02:36:07,619 --> 02:36:05,859
best we can

3914
02:36:08,999 --> 02:36:07,629
lastly can you tell our listeners where

3915
02:36:10,889 --> 02:36:09,009
they can get a hold of you if they want

3916
02:36:13,319 --> 02:36:10,899
to contact you and get more information

3917
02:36:16,981 --> 02:36:13,329
sure if you go to my website which is

3918
02:36:19,851 --> 02:36:16,991
UFOs on the record calm that's UFO

3919
02:36:24,241 --> 02:36:19,861
on the record calm it's basically the

3920
02:36:25,321 --> 02:36:24,251
website about my book and there's a you

3921
02:36:27,211 --> 02:36:25,331
can reach me through that website

3922
02:36:29,281 --> 02:36:27,221
there's a comment you know an email

3923
02:36:31,561 --> 02:36:29,291
system set up there where you can send

3924
02:36:33,541 --> 02:36:31,571
me an email also on Facebook I have a

3925
02:36:36,181 --> 02:36:33,551
very active Facebook page

3926
02:36:38,731 --> 02:36:36,191
which is an open page and I love to hear

3927
02:36:41,220 --> 02:36:38,741
from people there as well so either way

3928
02:36:43,201 --> 02:36:41,230
I really enjoy hearing from people who

3929
02:36:46,171 --> 02:36:43,211
are reading the book or have an interest

3930
02:36:47,851 --> 02:36:46,181
in this so I hope people will get in

3931
02:36:50,281 --> 02:36:47,861
touch and by the way you can find

3932
02:36:52,801 --> 02:36:50,291
Chris's stuff Chris O'Brien stuff our

3933
02:36:55,261 --> 02:36:52,811
strange planet calm and also a link to

3934
02:36:58,141 --> 02:36:55,271
buy that new documentary about

3935
02:36:59,941 --> 02:36:58,151
disclosure from me and Chris to Leslie

3936
02:37:09,701 --> 02:36:59,951
came thanks for joining us this week on

3937
02:37:16,131 --> 02:37:13,220
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3938
02:37:19,121 --> 02:37:16,141
and Christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

3939
02:37:22,850 --> 02:37:19,131
presentation of making the impossible